To think that all the idiots have brought us back to total lockdown ?

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So frustrated with all the people, from the ineffective and blustering MP to the idiots out trick or treating tonight............

When will people learn that a bloody pandemic cannot be ignored and that insisting on personal freedoms/ personal preferences is NOT going to shorten the lock downs or save the vulnerable ?

It's not even remotely close to a lockdown.
It's a cockup.

The vast majority of interaction is happening in education and workplaces, and countless workplaces are being pretty lax on Covid measures.

Closing the local cafe is a drop in the bloody ocean compared with workplaces and the general public's own bending of the rules as they see fit.

YABU in the sense that I blame this entirely on the politicians.... it's not surprising people have acted as they have with such 'leadership'

It’s a political failing

Oh....and the guy in front of me at the Tesco's till buying 200 Benson and Hedges.....'I've just heard there's going to be another lockdown, so I've come to stock up - whilst I can.' Er......yes mate, you wouldn't want to catch a serious heart disease.

The masks are a double edged sword.
People are making them a symbol of their 'Covid awareness', but most of the people I know will stick the mask in their back pocket, handbag, or around their gearstick in the car. They don't remove the mask with any care at all, and they become utter complacent to all the other ways the virus can be spread.

Yes, we should probably keep wearing them, but only as part of much wider protocols. On their own, they don't offer a huge amount.

You only have to look at the way this has been managed in other countries such as Sweden to see that it’s the government that have f’ed this up.
Sweden have had less than 6000 deaths to date and whilst they have had issues within their health care with delayed operations etc they have kept the majority of the country open and up and running to keep the economy going nicely.

We could of done something similar we had a whole summer to move study online especially for colleges and unis I understand that primary and lower secondary may need to attend for childcare reasons aswell as education but there’s no need for uni and college to be in they could operate just as well online.

The tories have ran a shit show basically.

@gjejgej really? I need psychiatric help? I work in a hospital and have fiercely protected myself and my family. I have an elderly grandmother who is currently in hospital so learning a nurse who works with patients such as my grandmother is breaking the rules does make me cross. People in jobs that could put vulnerable at risk breaking the law and increasing that risk makes me cross. The thing is, it’s not just friends meeting in a restaurant; it’s friends from separate households, travelling to a higher risk area that we’ve told staff not to do and not social distancing. It’s friends risking an outbreak in my workplace, putting my colleagues and patients at unnecessary risk. But I’m not allowed to be cross without being told I need psychiatric help? I think that says more about you than me.

@Marmitecrackers

It's not the government so much as all the idiots what won't wear ( it worries me, i don't like the feel etc) and then there is the "no one will tell me what to do brigade who are in and out of each others houses all the time. Catching up with friends & the " I can see my family because...." Meet them for a walk it's good for you, better than sitting around and you aren't breathing the same air or touching each others furniture. I haven't had anyone in my house since march. I only meet family and friends for walks and bike rides.

This.

People spread the virus. The government can advise/set rules, but they're obviously not spreading the virus.

We're currently tier 2, but I know people who are still refusing to self isolate when asked to, not getting tested when they have symptoms, and arranging play dates/sleepovers for their kids when we're not allowed any indoor family group mixing. Our rates are climbing, and I'm not surprised.

@nostaples

It annoys me how people find it easier/ desirable to blame individuals rather than social, economic and political structures for problems in society.

Do you really think people in the north or BAME people are more irresponsible than people in the south or white people.

The reasons and prevalence of the spread has been well documented. Those living in poverty and in the caring jobs and low paid jobs have no choice but to work (for the benefit of us all) and are more likely to contract and transmit the virus. Poor people living in multi-generational, multi-occupancy households who are taxi drivers, care workers, shop assistants, cleaners, hospital orderlies etc are just doing their jobs but more likely to get and suffer from the illness.

Yes, of course some people think that. Because they're pig ignorant.

Sweden pays massive taxes for their healthcare.
Sweden's population density is far less than our own, and their workspaces are usually less cramped.

It's not a reasonable comparison.

nasty shift in attitude towards people being 'blamed' if they catch Covid

I wouldn’t blame anyone for catching it. I would be less inclined to be sympathetic to anyone who didn’t even try to prevent themselves from getting it, or prevent themselves from spreading it.

I don’t think it’s that helpful to compare to other countries, Sweden is reported to have a culture of compliance in relation to the rules they have. As pp have mentioned, you can’t stop a virus spreading per se, the measures are geared at ensuring the health services don’t get overwhelmed and the capacity is different in different countries for various reasons not related to Covid.

I don’t blame the government really, every country is floundering to some degree and they all seem to be copying each other. The problem is that people don’t comply with the rules, I think that can be clearly observed. Strict and clear lockdowns are much easier to enforce than complex rules so they are ultimately more effective.

I don’t point the finger at anyone in general, but people en masse are behaving irresponsibly and this results in harsher and more draconian rules. It’s basic regulatory theory that you start with the least oppressive measures and escalate if they don’t work. If everyone is so worried about the economy, they should follow the rules in place. The government will not keep the economy moving if it means hospitals are overwhelmed and there is no capacity for seriously ill people. Adding extra nightingale hospitals isn’t a silver bullet as the NHS quite famously had a shortage of staff prior to Covid, hospitals without doctors are pretty pointless.

Sweden have had less than 6000 deaths to date and whilst they have had issues within their health care with delayed operations etc they have kept the majority of the country open and up and running to keep the economy going nicely.

You want to actually read up on that, rather than just repeating this highly misleading scenario?

Viruses spread but they can be controlled, we already did that with the first lockdown. It's just that as soon as lockdown is released it surges back up.

I think that in the absence of a vaccine or a really fast, accurate, universally available test that was inevitable that we would lock down again. How often we need to lock down, for how long, how strictly...yes both people who have ignored the rules and the government who have mishandled so much have contributed to that in ways that should have been avoidable. I am sure they will both continue to do so!

It’s deluded people who can’t accept that sometimes things are out of hands.
They think governments should be able to prevent every disaster. Save every life. Save everyone’s mental health.
They can’t accept that it’s because scientifically, we can’t fight this.
We don’t have the medicine.
It’s doesn’t matter what any government does. Unless we have a cure, there’s nothing or no one that can stop this virus.
You can only delay the inevitable, we’re going to have to find a cure, or get used to it.
People can’t accept this is out of our hands. Maybe it’s too scary for them to fathom.
So they blame the government, or their neighbours, or anyone.
For a virus. Multiplying.
As virus’ do

There is no point in getting so annoyed - it's human nature and you will never get anything like full compliance across the country, unless we had the army on every door step. It's simply not possible and also a bit silly to think people are really to blame. Nothing we do will stop this virus now. It's all just a delaying tactic really. Even with everyone complying, the virus will still spread. I'm not saying it's ok to ignore the rules or that they aren't necessary. I'm saying wishing people would comply and learn is futile - it will never happen. And the spread of Covid is an inevitability that
even full compliance won't stop in the long term anyway.

Stop using what abusers use to gaslight people please! The vast vast majority have done very well, we have an epidemic of people who have died because they were scared to get medical treatment. Suicides gone up by 22%, children’s mental health declining, domestic abuse gone up, medical neglect where people are going undiagnosed with cancer, heart diseases and very life threatening diseases business ruined people’s livelihood. Maybe someone needed to go out and see someone or they would have taken their lovesick we are human beings with feelings. Dignity please, So yes YABU. I will say it again many many millions have made unbelievable sacrifices and come autumn and winter it was always going to go up but hey at least flu has declined.

I don't like the blame game, it's not very helpful really. Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, just stick to the Rules you've got; nothing can be assessed as a response that works or doesn't work unless the majority follow it.

There are so many reasons to be pissed off, irrespective of a Pandemic, but there are some times that we need to at least try and sing from the same songsheet.

@gjejgej
I don't actually find masks that bothersome, but I refuse to wear something which has no impact on the spread of the virus.

www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Couldn’t agree more @MintyMabel shame on the person who said that!

@ThatsNaice

5 minutes on a GM tram yesterday. Fully expect this post to be deleted, but it gives you a clue as to why cases in the NW may be getting out of control.

This.

Loads of posts saying that wearing masks and distancing is non existent in northern areas where the virus is out of control. I don't understand why none of the newspapers have gone to any of these areas to show the reality of what is happening. It might just be a bit of a wake up call for everyone.

Unfortunately it's not always the ones floating the rules who suffer. Just the same as it's not always the erratic driver who suffers when they plough into another car. I'm sick and tired of having to tell people at work to 'wear your mask properly' 'out a mask on' ' stay 2 metres away from me' 'no you cannot go into the staff toliet' ' no you cannot bring extra people in with you, I don't care homebuilder that makes you feel, I don't want them in my office.' I would actually welcome a full and total lockdown. I mean complete, stay in your house, do not go out, rather than all these half hearted measures.

@AppleKatie

It’s got fuck all to do with individuals the errors are made at the top.

You are so wrong. Individual people spread Coronavirus not the Government . Thank the people who don’t isolate after being on holiday Thank the people who have happily hosted large gatherings Thank the people who are entitled and think rules don’t apply to them

@Marmitecrackers if the rules made any sense then I believe more people would adhere to them.

If you’re eating a meal in a restaurant, you don’t have to wear a mask? You can go the pub if they sell food? Children can be minded in their Grandparents homes? You can go the supermarket and handle items that other people will have touched? You can go to work on the bus, sit in a seat that hasn’t been cleaned all day then go into an office, school, nursery or hospital etc

This is why people aren’t afraid to have friends and family visit them in their own homes now.