To think that all the idiots have brought us back to total lockdown ?

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So frustrated with all the people, from the ineffective and blustering MP to the idiots out trick or treating tonight............

When will people learn that a bloody pandemic cannot be ignored and that insisting on personal freedoms/ personal preferences is NOT going to shorten the lock downs or save the vulnerable ?

The blame starts with Mr Johnson. Who could have set an example about following rules by sacking Dominic Cummings.

Anyone developed a good response to the idiots who can't even be arsed to wear a mask properly? Other than dickhead?

There are still so many people insisting it’s a fuss about nothing. Having seen a doctor get into full kit to intubate my poor neighbour in the back of an ambulance, I’m inclined to think there’s probably something to it.

One of my kids’ teachers lost her hands and feet. I lost a friend from work younger than me.

Like Brexit, the fuckwits have and will screw this country.

I had a massive heart attack last year. I know have a very scarred heart with a dodgy mitral valve. My heart already works harder than it was designed to. This is not fucking funny.

You are so wrong. Individual people spread Coronavirus not the Government
Thank the people who don’t isolate after being on holiday
Thank the people who have happily hosted large gatherings
Thank the people who are entitled and think rules don’t apply to them

You could take all those people out of the equation and the virus would still have ample opportunity to continue spreading. That's just what happens once it gets sufficiently well embedded within a population, as there is only so much social distancing that can be done.

@Marmitecrackers

**This is the fucking useless stupid cunt we have in charge. This fucking clown was who people voted for.

Of course we're in a fucking state.**

No it's the general public that can't behave not the government. They are doing the best they can having never managed a pandemic before & we do have to balance the economy with lockdowns. Problem is so many lefties think there is a magic money tree.

We need to stop being getting together unless it's essential. Using grandparents for childcare, yes but popping in and out of friends houses there is absolutely no justifiable reason for it.

I'm sick of hearing all this " it affects my mental health crap." People dying is a far bigger problem than you want to hang out with a nice group of friends.

Really don't minimise people's mental health issues. Lockdown has caused huge issues for a lot of people not just whining about not hanging out with mates. Try thinking about people who are alone, isolated or facing redundancy.

how about this response?...

'Can't be easy to find a mask to fit a head shaped like a dick eh?'

Really don't see how the government are not to blame. Boris missed meetings early doors, let his advisor make a total mockery of the rules and now put us into lockdown 5 weeks too late.....

Dustysilkflowers
I think you’ve got to remember masks are not 100% effective.

What you have expressed there is the fallacy that if something is not 100% effective it's worthless.

This is the sort of thinking that has brought the UK into a second lockdown.

@Orcus

You are so wrong. Individual people spread Coronavirus not the Government Thank the people who don’t isolate after being on holiday Thank the people who have happily hosted large gatherings Thank the people who are entitled and think rules don’t apply to them

You could take all those people out of the equation and the virus would still have ample opportunity to continue spreading. That's just what happens once it gets sufficiently well embedded within a population, as there is only so much social distancing that can be done.

The virus can’t spread as easily if people social distance, wear masks and wash hands. If people followed the basic rules the R number wouldn’t be increasing the way it is

I live in tier one, work in tier two, a lot of people I know are in tier 2, I'm seeing Halloween parties, people meeting randoms from tinder and for a lot more than coffee, people going here there and everywhere for fun with their kids and various friends and relatives, neighbours and their friends of my colleague got £200 fines for going for a boozy brunch eight of them all from different households, they think it's funny, these are people who had six months off, paid, not those of us who work frontline services and have to deal with the fall out. The amount of selfish behaviour I am seeing is astounding

Oh yes and friends of friends just got back from Spain, they were in Tesco two days later and at a theme park two days after that!!!

You could take all those people out of the equation and the virus would still have ample opportunity to continue spreading. That's just what happens once it gets sufficiently well embedded within a population, as there is only so much social distancing that can be done.

We had the chance to stop it being so prevalent. We got the numbers down, and should have continued to keep them down until Track and Trace was proven to be effective. Then the restrictions should have been slowly lifted, stage by stage until we felt the danger of losing control, then reimplement the last set of measures to be removed - thus keeping us at a level we could manage.

Alas, we didn't do that. There were some decent reasons for not doing that - mostly financial, but with associated longer term health impacts, but regardless, we lifted the restrictions too quickly and we've paid the price. Track and Trace is not effective with a high number of cases, thus we have to get back to the low levels again. Sadly the Government has screwed up for a second time with tonight's ineffectual measures.

@Bunnyfuller

There are still so many people insisting it’s a fuss about nothing. Having seen a doctor get into full kit to intubate my poor neighbour in the back of an ambulance, I’m inclined to think there’s probably something to it.

One of my kids’ teachers lost her hands and feet. I lost a friend from work younger than me.

Like Brexit, the fuckwits have and will screw this country.

I had a massive heart attack last year. I know have a very scarred heart with a dodgy mitral valve. My heart already works harder than it was designed to. This is not fucking funny.

If the Teacher was from Bedfordshire I have seen her on TV and she is an amazing inspirational lady. I’m sure she was a fantastic teacher

The virus can’t spread as easily if people social distance, wear masks and wash hands. If people followed the basic rules the R number wouldn’t be increasing the way it is

Even if this was true, and given that at least some of the increase is driven by schools being open it's debatable, it doesn't refute my point. Just keeping a society functioning means the virus is going to spread once we've let it in. Which we did long before lockdown.

To paraphrase Barnum T Bailey.....'I became extremely rich by appreciating just how stupid the general public really were'.

@KarlKennedysDurianFruit

I live in tier one, work in tier two, a lot of people I know are in tier 2, I'm seeing Halloween parties, people meeting randoms from tinder and for a lot more than coffee, people going here there and everywhere for fun with their kids and various friends and relatives, neighbours and their friends of my colleague got £200 fines for going for a boozy brunch eight of them all from different households, they think it's funny, these are people who had six months off, paid, not those of us who work frontline services and have to deal with the fall out. The amount of selfish behaviour I am seeing is astounding

This.

The trouble is everyone knows what they need to do but it’s like naughty school kids trying to find the reason it doesn’t apply.
Yes it was Dominic Cummings but it’s also Derek and Darren and Dave from up the road.
Blame Boris for not doing more. But the only “more“ is the leaving the house with signed papers, like France, Two hopes for that ( and Bob died a while back).

The spread of the virus is virtually inevitable. That was never l in debate - it's the pace at which it spreads which is the issue.

We have to control it to be able to manage the care of patients and to buy time to learn about its behaviour and treatment methods, and hopefully a vaccine.

That phrase 'flattening the curve' was always the only realistic goal in the short term (short term being until we can treat it, cure it, or prevent it).

The curve is back and we need to flatten it again. Only this time Boris thinks lesser measures will flatten it just as well as before, given that the curve is not yet as bad as it was previously. The next month will tell us if he's right or wrong (I suspect the latter).

I wish the government spelled this out to the nation.... it's likely we'll all get it at some point, but we want to be in a good position to handle the cases, and buy time to learn the best treatment methods.

An R rate less than 1 is still spreading, but it's slowing down and will eventually die - but it's unlikely we can implement measures for long enough for that to happen (or close borders to prevent it arriving again)

Not heard much from Sweden recently, I'm assuming they're all dead having succumbed to the deadliest virus in history you know cos they didn't lockdown and don't do masks.

Just to add a bit of perspective to this deadly to all virus here is what this nugget said a few months ago..

It's the general public to blame not just the government!
My street alone there's two families that children's school bubbles have burst and the kids should be isolating but oh no they have just held Halloween parties 🤬
My child has to attend school with these kids it's infuriating 🤬

Virus is expanding exponentially in England led by Boris and tories
Virus is expanding exponentially in Wales led by Drakeford and Labout
Virus is expanding exponentially in Scotland led by Nicola and SNP
Virus is expanding exponentially in Northern Ireland led by Arlene
Virus is expanding exponentially in France with Macron, in Germany in Italy Spain Belgium the Netherlands etc etc the common factor is not the leadership or their political views, neither is the rise linked to severity of lockdown in the Spring

It's a virus.

LUnless we lockdown forever it will spread.

@Sedona123 probably because they don’t want to catch....we’re in Yorkshire, friend who lives in London came back at the end of the sumner.....said she couldn’t believe it, it was like there was no virus.

Honestly I feel embaressed its not poverty here its arrogance and stupidity....like really fucking stupid redneck hillbillly stupidty. The things you see posted on local social media groups is unreal.

It's a virus.
Unless we lockdown forever it will spread.

Depends what you mean by lockdown?
There are measures we can implement to contain it to manageable levels, but that takes time to learn what measures have the biggest effect, and then having the public adhere to those measures stringently).

Both the government and the pubic have made a bit of a hash of it.

If its about rulebreakers, why is the likes of Spain seeing a masssive resurgance right now, when they are much more 'compliant' than us, as we are told regularly. Apparently the UK is really bad for not listening and stuff, but a lot of countries that apparently have 'better behaved' citizens..are also back in the shit.

All of the rules could be followed by absolutely everyone, and the numbers would still rise as its about people mixing, and large amounts of people have to mix for school and work. So while mixing goes on, the virus will continue to spread. Unless we dish out spacesuits or something to everyone who has to leave the house.