To think that all the idiots have brought us back to total lockdown ?

[updownroundandround]

So frustrated with all the people, from the ineffective and blustering MP to the idiots out trick or treating tonight............

When will people learn that a bloody pandemic cannot be ignored and that insisting on personal freedoms/ personal preferences is NOT going to shorten the lock downs or save the vulnerable ?

I went to home bargains yesterday. So many idiots in there. People are so impatient and can't wait for you. They have to stand next to you, or push past you to get what they want. Well bitches I hope it was worth it. It's idiots like them who have caused another lockdown.

@Legoandloldolls

I'm so pissed off with hearing this. Its basic biology. Viruses spread. They dont think, they dont vote and dont care if your a good person or selfish. They want to replicate and that's the sum of it.

Someone picks their nose, puts there pin in a chip and pin and the person who gets it via that is a selfish arsehole because they needed to shop?

No. Go back and study GCSE biology.

This

I think that while it's the government's mismanagement which is primarily to blame (remember the levels being abandoned?), all those people who crowded beaches and pubs and insisted on their foreign holiday and got together with all their friends for parties, certainly didn't help.
We should have come out of lockdown carefully - we would still have been able to shop and eat out (thus protecting worker in those industries) but a little caution would have gone a long way.

RE: universities the first wave swept through like a hurricane back in February/March, DS and others in his flat had it as did most of his block. The second years have been fine this term in the main. The freshers have been unwell but are now healthy again.

How do you stop a virus which is spread by asymptomatic people?

With some difficulty, but it can be contained providing:

1. You can get the numbers down to a very low level with very strict lockdown.

2. Testing is widespread even amongst asymptomatic people

3. Track and Trace is adopted by the majority of the population and is adhered to (isolate when you're told to!).

Track and trace can't work is the numbers are too large because there's simply not enough people to be able to do the tracing faster than the virus is spreading - and people aren't isolating as they're supposed to.

It CAN be done, but not the way we're pissing about at the moment.
I don't believe it will be done because the government AND the general population are still faffing about.

Lack of a functioning test trace and isolate system is more likely the cause. £12bn funnelled to private companies and sod all to show for it. Let's lay the blame fairly where it lies. With a criminally corrupt and incompetent government.

It’s the same as the thing on the beach that MN moan about every year. Massive empty beach yet the other family will sit next to you. Or the car park where someone parks next to you.

I went to a shopping centre yesterday....first time in a year despite in being quite close. People are nuts! Queuing to get in on top of each other,

@Ginfordinner

There is another thread on MN where many posters accuse the Brits of being arrogant.

gjejgej fits the stereotype.

"Arrogance is almost always an unconscious manifestation of low self-esteem." (Psychology Today)

I'm interested in others view of the impending new total lock down,

Only it's not a total lockdown is it? We never had that and won't, some things are closing but you can still go out, exercise, work, volunteer, shop and have support bubbles.

@Legoandloldolls

I'm so pissed off with hearing this. Its basic biology. Viruses spread. They dont think, they dont vote and dont care if your a good person or selfish. They want to replicate and that's the sum of it.

Someone picks their nose, puts there pin in a chip and pin and the person who gets it via that is a selfish arsehole because they needed to shop?

No. Go back and study GCSE biology.

I agree. And it is people who help spread them.

I have a friend posting pictures of the six of them in a restaurant in a city an hour away. Obviously at one table so in no way social distancing despite being from 6 different households. Makes me so cross. Two of them work in a hospital and one is a nurse with dementia patients! Yet if I comment on the Fb post I’ll be labelled a dick!

'Scuse typos! Washing my hands has made them slippery!

@Thisismylife1

Yes the Tories! Inept and no hint of an apology

because Labour would have it all under control by now

when the figure remain the same he will close schools for the rest of the year....december....he's just setting the scene now

Just back from Tesco's.....people still waltzing in (and out again) sans masks.
Am reminded (in a different context) of JT Barnum's remark, that, 'no-one ever went bust underestimating the idiocy of the public'.

@boomboom1234

I am getting really fed up of this nasty shift in attitude towards people being 'blamed' if they catch Covid - like it means you are somehow stupid or did something wrong. How horrible. So many threads like this today. Also those in areas with lower cases feeing superior - why?!?! In densely populated cities we will of course get bigger numbers as it's harder to distance in crowded areas where we work and shop. I'm fed up and this blame vibe makes me feel sad and depressed - not everyone who has it has it because they broke the rules!!

Absolutely this!!

this is no 'lockdown'

he's closed primark. thats about it

@ MintyMabel

why are we screwing the world up to save the over 65s

wtaf ?? Who could be this callous, selfish and arrogant ? Really ?

@updownroundandround. Don’t @ me in this. I didn’t say it. I was quoting it in a response where I made it clear I don’t agree with it.

People literally brushing past despite their being masses of empty space all around. l Just odd human behaviour. The need to take the shortest route, even if it’s less than a few centimetres trumps Covid.

Not sure why people are blaming the government. It is pretty clear to me that it is people mixing iand generally not thinking about the consequences of their actions that has caused this.

Everyone was out trick or treating tonight where I live. It was lovely. I always presume the vulnerable are shielding so therefore shouldn’t be at risk from trick or treaters. Or at least that’s what I’d be doing if I were vulnerable. I wouldn’t expect children to stop living their lives to protect me.

Nobody in any government is experienced in leading through a pandemic yet we expect them to govern without error? Totally unrealistic and unfair expectations from people who live to criticise others. We don’t live in a police state; if you stopped people going to the beach in the summer (which was outdoors and actually the rise wasn’t linked to that) would have led to public unrest. It’s a really hard balance.

It annoys me how people find it easier/ desirable to blame individuals rather than social, economic and political structures for problems in society.

Do you really think people in the north or BAME people are more irresponsible than people in the south or white people.

The reasons and prevalence of the spread has been well documented. Those living in poverty and in the caring jobs and low paid jobs have no choice but to work (for the benefit of us all) and are more likely to contract and transmit the virus. Poor people living in multi-generational, multi-occupancy households who are taxi drivers, care workers, shop assistants, cleaners, hospital orderlies etc are just doing their jobs but more likely to get and suffer from the illness.