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Do you want another lockdown?

380 replies

RosieCrumpet · 30/10/2020 23:33

YABU - I want a lockdown just like before
YANBU - I don't want to lockdown.
Comment - Any variation on the above.
I'm genuinely curious to see where the majority lie on this - some people will be terrified of losing their jobs and homeschooling again whereas others would love a few more months of WFH or furloughing and extra family time.

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CrotchBurn · 31/10/2020 08:23

We know the one month thing is bullshit. They are telling us one month but then they will obviously extend it past christmas. I used to support these measures but now seeing my small business in tatters and very little government compensation, being told by our president that the most important thing is that we work, but not being able to work... I feel panicky, I am having panic attacks every day now, it's horrible. I feel like I am in a prison of my own mind. I feel shaky.

Now we are in a situation where we cannot meet anyone and so we do not have a single conversation that isnt somehow logged by our phones and computers.

Now we are in a situation where all we do is work and shop. Nothing else.

I think now the time has come for us to learn to live with it. Yes we have a duty to not allow people to die. We also have a duty to mot destroy peoples livelihoods and not to impose laws that essentially incarcerate people on their own homes.

GhostCerberus · 31/10/2020 08:24

[quote Thisismylife1]@GhostCerberus I hear you it was awful although as a key worker you did have option of sending your children to school. I was working at home with two kids in an incredibly stressful job but no option of sending them to school. I think it’s clear schools will stay open this time.[/quote]
The schools told us it was for NHS only, and the governments didn't tell us we were 'key workers' until a fair way through it. I think I'd push it if the schools closed this time though. I simply would not be able to cope.

As an aside- some of my clients appear to have taken for granted that I was working 7 days a week, as I took last weekend off and had a complaint Monday morning because a client had sent an e-mail on Saturday and was fucked off I had not responded by 9 am Monday. (Sorry, totally off topic but it IRRITATED me).

(I might need to start a support thread for solicitors Grin )

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 31/10/2020 08:24

And as for a vaccine, they don’t believe it will work effectively enough yet. So still in progress.

Who is they and if “they” don’t believe it then why is it being manufactured?

As far as I understand you want everything locked down on the basis of what we don’t know, and in the same time you are complaining that you are kept in the dark and fed bullshit?

If you choose to believe the bullshit then that’s only to be expected.

Stillgoings · 31/10/2020 08:28

I do support it but I'd rather it was done properly. I'm not sure about keeping kids in school. Also want support for the clinically vulnerable to stay at home. Key workers with high risk conditions are still having to work because there is no support for them.
I'm expecting it to be a half arsed lockdown.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 31/10/2020 08:30

No! No! And thrice, NO!

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 31/10/2020 08:31

I’m happy for the clinically vulnerable to be supported when they stay home, if they cannot work from home, but in that case it’s only fair for the healthy ones to be allowed to go about their lives.

Womencanlift · 31/10/2020 08:37

[quote Thisismylife1]@Womencanlift re your Xmas point, it seems well established that support bubbles can exist so I am sure you can go home for Xmas. That’s the point of them.[/quote]
I am more thinking about if part of this lockdown will be a restriction on movement e.g. you will not be allowed to travel x miles from your home

Thisismylife1 · 31/10/2020 08:41

@GhostCerberus that’s really not on re the complaint. You have to set boundaries and be firm.

Schools seem to have been inconsistent with their interpretations on key workers but definitely push if happens again. I think there was a pretty extensive list published. However I think schools will stay open at least for a while...

Thisismylife1 · 31/10/2020 08:43

@Womencanlift they didn’t do last time so will keep fingers crossed they don’t this time. And in any case I’d take the risk in that scenario. And I am pro lockdown (reluctantly due to the fact the Govt have left us no option)

workhomesleeprepeat · 31/10/2020 08:48

What I can’t believe is that NIGHTCLUBS in Wuhan are open, people are living their lives - and this shit show government still can’t figure out how to effectively ‘control the virus’. Am so sick of this shit. So sick of this half life we all have to live.

Before anyone gets on my I am a rule following mask wearer - I will follow the next set of rules of course. But I am fucking sick of this. And anyone who says that Boris and co are just doing the best they can....well it’s not fucking good enough.

rashalert · 31/10/2020 08:51

Yes, just like many other parts of Europe.

Although the 'lockdown' I would prefer is all borders closed with hopefully then less domestic restrictions in each country.

yomellamoHelly · 31/10/2020 08:53

Today's proposal won't work with schools open for business as usual

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Sheknowsaboutme · 31/10/2020 08:55

No. But im in one and us pissing off. The rainbow hospital they spent millions on was never used. Now closed. If its that bad, blood well use them and stop sending anyone who has covid to mainstream hospitals.

Look after those Who have to shield and let the rest of us get on with lives and get the economy going again.

LaurieFairyCake · 31/10/2020 08:57

Of course we have to lock down Confused

What makes us more special than Germany or France?

workhomesleeprepeat · 31/10/2020 08:59

@rashalert um the people of Wuhan did not collectively get together and release the virus to the world what a horrible thing to say - they’re not ‘fuckers‘ because their government got things under control before ours did. But what else did I expect from this site I suppose.

MoleSmokes · 31/10/2020 08:59

There is no evidence that lockdowns have done more good than harm.

The Government should be putting money into the NHS, to deal with the usual, annual problems due to lack of resources at this time of year and the “flu season” to come, rather than ruinously expensive, irrelevant, misleading and panic-inducing mass-testing.

Recommission the Nightingale Hospitals and staff them as a short-term solution if necessary and support healthier diet and lifestyles to improve ability to survive all and any infections. Protect the frail eldery and others who are vulnerable but with consideration for other priorities, eg. contact with family and friends for people isolated in Care Homes and Nursing Homes.

The default for normal living should be hand-washing plus “social distancing” with masks if people wish (very little evidence they do anything to reduce spread of infection outside of special care and contact environments, eg.hospitals).

There is no evidence that any country in the world is experiencing a “second wave”, ie. a rate of cases (people actually UNWELL) or deaths that remotely resembles the pandemic earlier in the year.

There is no evidence that we are on a trajectory to anything other than the “normal” appalling state of affairs, when there will be ambulances queuing outside hospitals because there are not enough beds - like there are EVERY WINTER. There are no signs at the moment that it will be any worse than usual - unless these Lockdowns continue.

The only way to make things better is to increase NHS capacity, improve public health, “hand hygiene”, social distancing, protect the vulnerable - and stop the politicians running round like headless chickens encouraging mass hysteria.

There are so many sites and videos I could link to in support of the above, none of them relying on anything other than established science and logic.

Just a few recent examples:

  • “Covid diagnosis with PCR | Misinterpreting results | Cycle threshold explained” (Anthony Kuster)
  • Key viral update Oct 30th (Ivor Cummins)
  • “Maybe we got our measurements wrong” (Dr Clare Craig, Pathologist)
Fishfingersandwichplease · 31/10/2020 09:00

If schools stay open then yes l could cope with it....really struggled having dd at home for 6 months and always said she is my priority so if that was the bare minimum then another lockdown wouldn't be an issue

Bollss · 31/10/2020 09:02

@SheepandCow

Professor Devi Sridhar, one of the scientific experts advising the Scottish government, explains it well (my bold):

On a panel with several CEOs yesterday and their message was clear -> it's the virus impacting consumer behaviour & their businesses, not just restrictions. Already clear that controlling the virus with a clear strategy is best route to economic recovery.

And

Control your virus, solve your public health problem and then you get your economic recovery

Based on what because every time I've been to the shops it's been busy. Most people aren't scared any more.
rashalert · 31/10/2020 09:03

Oh, I'm so sorry @workhomesleeprepeat

I understood the virus had come from Wuhan and that they had kept quiet about it for as long as they could.

Is this incorrect then? Did it come from Southend?

MiaMarshmallows · 31/10/2020 09:04

I love being with DP and our family. Spent every day with them since, late February and loved it.We always make the best of it and so personally, I will enjoy the time with them but we do miss our friends and extended family so much and all our social events.

Wannakisstheteacher · 31/10/2020 09:08

I'll never comply to another Lockdown whilst it is totally legal for MIL to drive from one tier 3 to another tier 3, 90 minutes drive away, 3 times a week to provide 'childcare' for SIL who is WFH as is her DH.

Dreamylemon · 31/10/2020 09:08

Yes I think we should have done a firebreak lockdown to give us some breathing space 21st September as the government were advised to. Of course the schools starting back and students starting uni were going to hugely effect rates.

The nhs will collapse. I see attitudes of we can't stop non covid NHS services. We don't have a choice if we are overwhelmed with patients who are covid +ve there won't be the capacity. You need staff to run the nightingale hospitals, were are they coming from exactly? Also it's not a nicely contained virus, it spreads like wildfire between staff, patients and visitors.

I have so much sympathy for any who is struggling financially but this is a natural disastor - out of our control. Our government has not handled the fallout well.

workhomesleeprepeat · 31/10/2020 09:09

Ok @rashalert, everyone in Wuhan knew. Yep. All of them. All the normal mums, teens, dads, people just getting on with their lives. They all knew, sure. Let’s blame them all.

Bollss · 31/10/2020 09:10

@Dreamylemon

Yes I think we should have done a firebreak lockdown to give us some breathing space 21st September as the government were advised to. Of course the schools starting back and students starting uni were going to hugely effect rates.

The nhs will collapse. I see attitudes of we can't stop non covid NHS services. We don't have a choice if we are overwhelmed with patients who are covid +ve there won't be the capacity. You need staff to run the nightingale hospitals, were are they coming from exactly? Also it's not a nicely contained virus, it spreads like wildfire between staff, patients and visitors.

I have so much sympathy for any who is struggling financially but this is a natural disastor - out of our control. Our government has not handled the fallout well.

Is it a "natural" disaster though? Not really either way it was caused by a stupid fucking human and made worse by stupid fucking governments the world over.
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