I'm sick of people from Northern England who voted tory complaining on the news

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Suck it up. You voted for them. No one made you.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan, but seriously, WHY WHY WHY did you ever vote tory thinking they'd got your back?!?!

I'm Welsh, and I think you all need to stop demonizing each other. The gap in class in England is much higher than in Wales and it shows when I read threads like this. Wales is hardly cohesive either, but England is on another level.

Stop the infighting. The polarisation in your country is getting worse and it's because everyone wants to blame each other, and hardly anyone feels in control right now.

I find it baffling when certain areas vote Tory too, but you need to accept there are reasons for it. Some of them might be good reasons. Many people feel badly let down by Labour, don't take Lib dems seriously and what's left to them is Tories. I don't think the Tories have working class people's best interests at heart, but they are chiming with people who feel that Labour left them down badly in the 90s. They feel that the multiculturalism was forced on them and no one listened to the concerns of people who it might affect negatively the most.

They voted for them because they wanted Brexit and that is the ONLY reason.

@FreekStar

YANBU! People are thick! That's why they vote for a a party whose whole philosophy is based on making the rich richer and whose members are largely made up of the English privileged elite, despite they themselves being poor and under privileged. Their own mistaken beliefs that they are supreme beings compared to other nations and races seems to give them a false sense of affinity with the white tory men. They never think beyond the face of each party, so Jeremy Corbyn lost to Boris, despite the local Labour candidates in many areas being excellent, which at the end of the day is what you are voting for, count for nothing.

@feekstar

This public throwing of insults this drives people further right. It delivers them straight into the party you don't want to see win.

Maybe nothing wouldn't convince these people to vote differently, but no one wants to listen to people who insult them. They will ignore them at best or return the favour. The large smug, frustrated public venting at those voters just make things worse.

Seems I am exactly one of the people that the op is so despairing of. Northern. Previously left, voted Tory for first time.

Anyway, thanks for reinforcing why I will not in the near future be anywhere near allied with the left.

If the left stop telling me what I should think, what is right and be hateful about the way they engage in arguments, then maybe I’d reconsider.

When I was allied to the left the Tories were known as the Nasty party. I can categorically state that the left are actually the insipid patronising superior feeling nasty party. I never experienced any vitriol from the right for voting labour, but I can’t say the same for the left in voting Tory, death threats, accusations of murder, refusing to associate with etc.

It’s a real problem with the current left - if you don’t think exactly like them, you are clearly a bigot, murderer. There is no reasoned debate possible with lefties like op

The ONLY reason?

Give over.

Labour thoroughly deserved the kicking it got in the North. So will the Tories next time round.

Why assume all Northerners are working class? Usually an assumption by people who have never left their southern bubble. Just because you pay hundreds of thousands of pounds on a small studio flat somewhere in London, doesn’t make you intelligent and a better class. We are very diverse with different classes up here in the North. We have beautiful countryside, beautiful quirky towns and villages. We have thriving cities and are very community orientated. If people voted Tory, they did it for the simple fact that there really was no alternative. Corbyn didn’t offer anything. I would say people who voted labour did so blindly, because they’ve always voted labour, and would still vote labour if the party was run by a goat. I really struggle to see why people would have voted labour - he was indecisive and invisible, and a twat.

A labour government would not be utopia
Since 1950 I think they have been in power 3 times 64/66 cant remember that one
74/77 are the winter of discontent with Callaghan
97/2010 an illegal war and no money left
May have missed one
What makes people think all Tories are thick and labour are wonderful with actual little experience to go on

'Never trust a Tory'...

It was so naive to vote for Johnson and expect anything else than a complete disaster.

Because Labour has diminished from a party for the proud working classes and become a party for the virtue signalling "kind" middle classes who view the working class as a uniform mass of disabled people and people who can't feed their families. Both these groups exist and need support but they are not the majority of the aspirational working class who have a home and a telly and a games console and go off on holiday and don't feel represented by the bleeding hearts and their narrative.

Corbyn should have resigned years earlier, but he was too much in his momentum bubble. I have said it before and I will say it again: when 70 percent of those you work with think you are incompetent, you need to examine what you are doing.
Add Brexit and the constant vacillations into the mix and people being utterly sick of it and just wanting certainty, and there you have it.

I am in a VERY red area so sod off.

I think if anyone wants to know why people that would normally be expected to vote Labour, voted Tory it was because Corbyn just blew with the wind and had no real plan worth a damn.

Boris is a disaster as it turns out but people thought he might not be. Corbyn was definitely going to be a disaster so BoJo was deemed to be the lesser of the two evils. Like choosing to step in a slightly smaller pile of dog shit basically.

Boris (Cummings) did a smart thing pushing the ‘let’s get Brexit done’ thing, that’s the only reason they voted Tory. Well, that and they thought Boris was ‘one of the lads’ .

'The North' or 'Northern England' isn't one homogenous place.
Not all 'Northerners' voted blue.
Lots of 'Southerners' did vote blue (and do plenty of moaning themselves).

HTH

Nice to see the N/S divide alive and well and perpetuated by Southerners on this thread

As a business owner in the North, it would have been financial suicide to vote Labour.

They don't really want to know why people switched and voted Tory, they just want to chastise them for doing so.

Otherwise this would be a conversation rather than the op disappearing in to the wind when people respond.

Because labour had done so fucking much for them the past 20-30+ years they had held those seats

South Wales rather than North of England, but I certainly saw improvements in my area after 1997. Of course according to some if Labour helps poor areas it's because they're bribing voters... The Tories of course really care.

I am centrist, which is a fucking depressing thing to be in polarised politics, because you have both sides gunning for you.

I have an old university friend on Facebook who is Momentum-left, and she posted absolutely horrible stuff directed at centrists.

That was what made me know the election was lost. The sheer bloody aggression of Labour supporters was and is horrible. If Tories think or feel these things about me, they at least have the bare minimum common sense to keep it to themselves.

(As for my background, my grandparents met in the Socialist Workers Party meetings in Manchester. And they would have been as sickened by the rhetoric of Labour supporters as I was.)

Historically, the worst outcomes for countries occur when the population is polarised. It's a very clear pattern repeated across many different populations and eras. Because big fucking surprise, working together, collaborating and compromising are have better outcomes.

@sally067

They made their bed, they'll have to suck it up. So weird how they thought a party funded mostly by billionaires would represent them better than a party which is mostly funded by organisations that represent 14 million nurses, postmen, office workers, etc.

Would have thought 10 years of austerity would have shown them what Tories think of working people but somehow they fell for the classic trick that a new leader = a completely different government. All tory governments are they same, it's their basic ideology.

Brexit to a lot of people is (was?) more important than anything else too, yougov polling showed that a lot of people would have happily had their children's livelihoods destroyed in order to get Brexit done. They asked for it.

I saw a baffling news report just before the last election. A man from the 'north' said he was voting for Boris because he was sick of the austerity, the last 10 years of Tory rule must have passed him by. 🤣

It's going to really help the politic state of the country to have insults thrown at people for the way they voted, rather than considered criticism aimed at the parties and their actions/intentions.

Well done for raising the quality of political debate so much, OP.

Come on, they're all a bunch on wombles. It's like voting between Hell or Tartarus.

Various news reports, threatening tories that they'll loose the red vote they won this time round, like they give a toss

Oh come on! I’m warning Welsh Labour that they’ll be out of the Senedd all the time and I am a conservative.

The people being questioned could easily have voted labour. Anyway, YABU getting pissed off with anyone. We live in a democracy and can vote whoever we choose.

The Tories are going to be in power indefinitely anyway, so no other energy needs expanding.

Speaking on behalf of my fellow northern England residents, I say fuck off.