I'm sick of people from Northern England who voted tory complaining on the news

[ssd]

Suck it up. You voted for them. No one made you.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan, but seriously, WHY WHY WHY did you ever vote tory thinking they'd got your back?!?!

Op is just proving one of the reasons why Labour and the left have been losing working class voters

The sneering and the I will talk for the working class but I don’t want to engage with them and have no need to engage with them as I know better

And they see themselves as the more caring And understanding what a fucking joke. Being more to the left myself I find it embarrassing that so many on the left are so self righteousness

I'm sick of Lefties going on about the Tories when you consider what Corbyn and crew would have done. Pointless wrangling about what to do, running every decision past the unions.

@ssd

And to make it clearer, I don't mean loyal tory voters, you are beyond help, I mean traditional Labour voters who thought Boris was their man.

ODFOD

Patronising, much?

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN totally.

The southerners always know best.

Particularly if they are middle class

YANBU! People are thick! That's why they vote for a a party whose whole philosophy is based on making the rich richer and whose members are largely made up of the English privileged elite, despite they themselves being poor and under privileged. Their own mistaken beliefs that they are supreme beings compared to other nations and races seems to give them a false sense of affinity with the white tory men. They never think beyond the face of each party, so Jeremy Corbyn lost to Boris, despite the local Labour candidates in many areas being excellent, which at the end of the day is what you are voting for, count for nothing.

Could you not work out that political parties in the UK are so far from their grass roots that some people voted for the polar opposite because there was almost no difference between the hapless, useless, corruption of any of them? How do you think it felt to be one of those made politically homeless, to have to contemplate where to place your tick?

Labour is lost. Has been for decades. But now the last of the old guard is well and truly gone there is no glimmer of hope left. When the party of the working class becomes so London focussed, when Momentum not only exists but runs the party, what else do you expect?

Fuck it! Fuck anyone who wants to point their class ridiculing, geographically biased finger at anyone living in NotLondon! Those of us living here in the NotSouthEast/NotLondon areas of the country REALLY don't care what stereotypically incorrect ideas you harbour.

Well yes of course the middle class know what is better they have read articles in the Guardian by fellow self righteousness twat Owen Jones

When the other option was someone who calls people ‘comrades’. Blinkered labour voters really are truly daft

I didn’t vote labour, and I’m not a southerner.

Blinkered people who assume there are only 2 parties to vote for and that everyone lives in England are really daft.

@FreekStar

YANBU! People are thick! That's why they vote for a a party whose whole philosophy is based on making the rich richer and whose members are largely made up of the English privileged elite, despite they themselves being poor and under privileged. Their own mistaken beliefs that they are supreme beings compared to other nations and races seems to give them a false sense of affinity with the white tory men. They never think beyond the face of each party, so Jeremy Corbyn lost to Boris, despite the local Labour candidates in many areas being excellent, which at the end of the day is what you are voting for, count for nothing.

Is it only me who laughed at the presumably unintended irony in all of that?

Pointless wrangling about what to do, running every decision past the unions.

As opposed to the superb decisiveness of this government that in no way needs to run things past its political donors.

I know the reasons why many in former industrial and mining towns voted Tory. They some how believed the leopard could change its spots and believe that Brexit will improve things. They are wrong on both counts.

@CakeRequired

The OP is an SNP supporter.

That's actually funny since sturgeon previous right hand man, Angus Robertson, lost to a tory. Didn't salmond get kicked out in favour of a tory too?

Ah, lectures from a nationalist. Now we’ve heard it all.

It reminds me of the fable of the scorpion and the frog.

I wonder what people think labour would have done differently? If they had gotten in would we be having the same discussion in reverse? Would they have done better? I don't think JC would have had a clue what to do.

I live in one of the former red wall constituencies.

The reasons relatives of mine have given for voting Tory were:

Brexit (and this was a one time thing)
Corbyn is an anti Semite/IRA member
You have to vote Tory sometimes or labour ignore you
No Labour Party people knocked on my door, Tories did
I thought Boris’s bumbling idiot thing was an act and that he was really very smart (they no longer think that way)

I think the Brexit vote was due to feeling ignored by all political factions and the conservatives capitalised on this in my area.

One thing that is very unsexy and often ignored is that my constituency was merged with another before it turned blue, this despite a huge increase in new houses (and therefore the population) of the area. There were a huge changes in boundaries after Corbyn was made leader of labour and the party did very little to fight this because they were too busy in fighting about Corbyn.

Sorry I’m rambling on, but I agree with pps, the prevailing narrative since Brexit has been ‘the north did it’ that completely ignores the many forgotten places elsewhere that also voted that way.

TLDR: proportional representation is the only way to go.

I work in what was the labour stronghold, many of my colleagues simply wouldn't vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm. Overall though there is a general feeling that Labour don't care, they look around and see the mess areas are in and blame Labour.

@Mintjulia

Labour had done nothing for them in years except sneer and ignore their concerns. So they tried something different. It was a logical thing to do. You don't achieve change by keep banging your head against the same door.

I'm sick of Labour supporters grumbling that they lost, when they knowingly put forward an unelectable candidate.

What do you mean they tried something different? The Tory Party has been in power since May 2010????

The reason we have incompetent government in Westminster (and in Holyrood) is the lack of credible opposition. The Labour party took its heartlands in both England and Scotland for granted. The MPs became complacent, treated their constituents with derision, and were booted out.

A lot of the current mess can be attributed to Labour's lack of leadership and lack of integrity.

(For transparency I'm a increasingly reluctant Labour party member who supports independence for Scotland)

Perhaps if another party had the skill, intelligence, organisation, energy etc. to actually win the last election, things would have been different?

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN completely agree. The left in the UK have somehow perfected this mix of being both patronising and infantilising of the “working class”. It’s like they don’t know what’s good for them

Owen Jones is the best example of this. His book Chav’s theme was basically “but the working class LIKE being poor and it’a demeaning to aspire to more for them!”

Completely agree op.

I didnt bloody vote for them!

I've just got to put up with their crap along with all the Northerners who are now regretting their choice

'wonder what people think labour would have done differently?'

Maybe they'd do what Drakeford and #ThankyouNicola have done, shut down the economy. Mind, they've got the UK government to pick up the tab haven't they.

'You do know that Starmer wasn’t the leader of the L party in the last election Don’t you?'

Ah whatever Jezza then, Starmer now. My point is if Labour ever expect to be in power they need to get their pathetic arses in gear.

Cannot fathom why they thought voting Conservative was a good choice though.

So yeah if you did thanks for that.

Voting Tory because you didn't like Jeremy Corbin? as a leader, I'm not that struck either but I'd take him over Boris Johnson any day. Voting Tory to 'get Brexit done' the fuck does that even mean??? Well that's going well isn't it.

They voted Tory because there was no other viable option. Labour certainly doesn't have their best interests at heart. And people know this.