I'm sick of people from Northern England who voted tory complaining on the news

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Suck it up. You voted for them. No one made you.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan, but seriously, WHY WHY WHY did you ever vote tory thinking they'd got your back?!?!

@jessstan1

Not all Northerners voted Tory. It was Brexit that caused previous Labour voters to change - being scared of 'foreigners' changing 'our way of life'. We get some of that attitude down south as well in some places, especially semi rural areas. East Anglia too.

Hopefully that will change at the next election.

However we mustn't forget we already had a Tory government when BoJo was voted in and we've had plenty in the past.

Not just Brexit. Labour becoming completely irrelevant to aspirational working class people with their emphasis on identity politics and "inclusion" and a patronising view of non-middle class people as all living in grinding poverty and needing better benefits. What about an aspiration to make something of oneself? What about free education for university students (overwhelmingly middle class) but not for tertiary and trades education? They lost touch with their core.

@overnightangel

Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact. If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple

And you are why I will not go anywhere near the Left at the moment - it is full of people like you, believing you have moral superiority yet behaving appallingly

@overnightangel

Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact. If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple

What a wonderful sentiment Must be a lot of c** voting or labour would win more elections

Not all of us in Northern England voted Tory thanks very much! Some of us have just been stuck with it so, you know what? I will complain, and loudly if itsok with you?!

@thecatsthecats you are so right about the abuse the Labour voters are happy to hand out.
Some of the responses on this thread proves that!

YABU to talk about northern vs southern voters. Of course there are people in the North who would benefit economically from the general Tory approach.

For me I must admit the last election was hard to vote red, but it would have been much, much harder to vote blue.

I think the papers did a bloody good smear campaign on Corbyn, and that he wasn't as bad as the frenzy was whipped up to be. I think we are seeing the payoff now. For all that I doubt Corbyn would have been able to handle a pandemic well (I think he would have done good deeds but wouldn't have had the personality to keep everybody together enough to be effective) the bar is so bloody low from BoJo that I really don't think he'd have handled it worse. This year what the country needed most was across that put people's health and welfare first. What we got was MPs who gave themselves massive payrises whilst refusing £12 a week (for what do children get as holidays, 10 weeks total in a year?) to children who get free school meals, gave their mates massive contracts for systems that didn't work and ferries that didn't exist, massive death and hospitalizations figures, refused nurses any sort of pay rise (again), a chronically underfunded NHS, an economy that is fucked, and the hard brexit that they promised they wouldn't deliver.

I find it very hard not to feel very angry towards people who voted Tory and brexit, including my parents who I have an otherwise loving relationship with. They won't be around to feel the effects of brexit for the next however many decades. I will, and my opportunities are shrinking by the day.

Yes because all of us up north are working class 😒 how ignorant are you?

overnightangel
Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact.
If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple

Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Seems like there's a whole lot of us around...many of us even in the north.

@overnightangel

Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact. If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple

And people wonder why Labour didn't win?

With this attitude (and they're not alone) they never will!

@Elsiebear90

I agree with you OP, I don’t understand why working class people though this government would ever look out for them.

Do you consider the population of the North of England to be working class?

YABVU, smug and ignorant.

The irony of all of this is that this Tory government have been more 'socialist' than any government in history - handouts and unmitigated spending all over the place.

They'll still vote Tory next time. Labour won't get in power within our lifetimes. Very sad but true.

People all trot out the Corbyn bogeyman as a solid cast-iron reason for not voting Tory last time around. I didn't like him either and was delighted when he finally resigned, but I'm really not convinced that he would have been a worse alternative. I don't believe that, if he had been in power, we would have had the PPE and care homes mess-ups, let alone all the corrupt awarding of massive covid-related contracts to incompetent friends of government ministers and advisers. And that's before we even begin to consider the utter ridiculousness of the fact that we haven't been able to reach a sensible Brexit deal with the EU over four years after the referendum.

Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact.
If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple

As someone who wanted to remain in the EU I struggle to forgive the Remain coampaign for adopting a strategy exactly like this. It was this overly simplistic, outright shutting down of debate that pushed people who were on the fence to vote Leave. It pushed them into it - I saw it time and time again with different people I spoke to.

As soon as you adopt this approach to political debate, you force polarisation because you are essentially shutting down any chance at debate with people who might be otherwise convinced into a more moderate approach to their voting choices.

The Remain campaign and those that supported it threw away their (high) chance of succss with their sometimes subtle (and sometimes explicit) messaging which was "Vote Remain or be racist - a message I heard word for word on the BBC.

It helps no one. It just causes divide and descredits the messenger.

I'm working class, northern and voted labour. Of course not all northerners are working class, but many who are voted Tory for the first time in their lives. I presume these are the ones the Op is alluding to.
For whatever reason (among those I know it was Brexit), many people were persuaded to vote for the party which had made them poorer over the last ten years with austerity.
It's frustrating, but it's also frustrating that some posters are trying to put the blame solely on northerners when whole swathes of the south of England are Tory strongholds.

@Findingapath

1. Not Everyone in ‘the North’ voted Tory

1. Not Everyone in ‘the North’ is working class.

‘The North’ isn’t so different to your precious south, we have naice places, we have run down places, we have middle class and working class people and plenty in between. Just like ‘the South’.

I think promoting this devision is a harmful to our country and completely not needed when everyone of us is struggling in our own way through this crisis, we need to unite not blame each other and allow the divide to grow wider.
If it makes my word more valid to you: I am from Yorkshire, I voted labour and prayed enough others nationwide would too.

You've expressed it perfectly.

One thing I've noticed recently is how divided we all are at the moment. Anyone who holds an opposing view is thick, uneducated or bigoted. What ever happened to reasoned debate and people trying to put aside their differences to work for the common good. Most people I know are decent people who just want the best for their family, friends and community. I really fear for the future of this country.

Ask yourself who benefits from having the people divided.

People all trot out the Corbyn bogeyman as a solid cast-iron reason for not voting Tory last time around.

I wasn't a Crobyn fan but I am starting to wonder how much that was due to external manipulation of the truth.

It occurs to me that one minute Corbyn was riding high, on the stage at Glastonbury with thousands chanting his name. The next minute his name was mud.

That kind of "cool" support had probably not been seen since Tony Blair's early days. Anyone with a memory in politics must have seen the similarities and - if Conservative - must have started to get afraid of a history repeat. It would then make sense to call in every kind of favour and debt and so on, to run a sustained campaign to discredit him.

I don't know the truth of it, but I am very suspicious of how it all played out.

@BeesBehindMyKnees

*Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact. If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple*

As someone who wanted to remain in the EU I struggle to forgive the Remain coampaign for adopting a strategy exactly like this. It was this overly simplistic, outright shutting down of debate that pushed people who were on the fence to vote Leave. It pushed them into it - I saw it time and time again with different people I spoke to.

As soon as you adopt this approach to political debate, you force polarisation because you are essentially shutting down any chance at debate with people who might be otherwise convinced into a more moderate approach to their voting choices.

The Remain campaign and those that supported it threw away their (high) chance of succss with their sometimes subtle (and sometimes explicit) messaging which was "Vote Remain or be racist - a message I heard word for word on the BBC.

It helps no one. It just causes divide and descredits the messenger.

Not just Remain but the Left in general these days. Absolutely no scope for freedom of thought, speech or debate. Critical thinking no longer acceptable. It terrifies me TBH...

I haven't seen anyone complain personally, but I would find it delicious.

I've decided to laugh at anything along the lines of Turkeys voting for Christmas - they're all adults and they're all responsible for their (dumbass) decisions. Knock yerselves out it'll be hilarious.

Yes, all Northerners are one homogeneous mass who followed the Brexit mantra and voted Tory.

I've not noticed in the news any particular level of complain from 'Northerners' in particular?

Not just Remain but the Left in general these days. Absolutely no scope for freedom of thought, speech or debate. Critical thinking no longer acceptable. It terrifies me TBH...

Even outside of strict politics, this is the way the world is going. It worries me too.

Anyone who questions or debates topics is automatically seen as wrong or a troublemaker.

It was the same with the covid-restrictions. Anyone questioning the legality or expressing concerns with the removal of rights was labelled as selfish, just wanting to break "the rules" or otherwise stupid. It's the same with other topic too.

Debate is always worthwhile and the suppression/reduction/removal of it is always dangerous. Regardless of which side of the debate you are drawn to.

@hamstersarse

The irony of all of this is that this Tory government have been more 'socialist' than any government in history - handouts and unmitigated spending all over the place.

Of course it hasn’t. Do a bit of research on the Attlee and Blair governments.

@overnightangel

Anyone who votes Tory has had a morality bypass and doesn’t care about other people, this is just a fact. If you vote Tory, you’re a cunt , it’s really that simple

I should imagine some people vote Tory because they don’t agree with the politics of twatish comments like this. Who still believes “everyone” is just one thing because of you they vote for?

"Ah yes good old Tony Blair, he did so much for us."

Well he did...as much as I'm not overly keen he did an awful lot:
Minimum wage
Civil ceremonies
Good Friday agreement and peace in Ireland
FOI act
Human rights act
Invested in the NHS and education
Longest period of uninterrupted grown in history