I'm sick of people from Northern England who voted tory complaining on the news

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Suck it up. You voted for them. No one made you.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan, but seriously, WHY WHY WHY did you ever vote tory thinking they'd got your back?!?!

The main thing I have in common with my fellow northerners at minute is an understanding of the true depth of contempt the not north has for us.

I'm in Tier 3 in Brexit Central in N England. Complaining about what? Being treated like shit by Westminster's handling of the pandemic or about Brexit.
If it's the latter, I'm with you 100 percent. If it's the former, fuck off.

The complaining from Northerners will go into overdrive next year when Brexit turns into a complete clusterfuck, and they get absolutely nothing that was promised by the Brexiters.

I was like that on my first pint.

Just to clarify, you're voting for the party not the person! Regardless of if you hate Corbyn; you're voting for the party with whom you have the most in common and feel will do the most for you from their manifesto.
Surely for all these hard and fast labour supporters, pre-Corbyn, your ideals and beliefs didn't change based on one man?!

@savethewales Corbyn and his acolytes were THAT shit

[quote bellinisurge]@savethewales Corbyn and his acolytes were THAT shit[/quote]
Then I don't think you understand politics; Corbyn could have been voted in and left within a matter of weeks. You vote for the manifesto that aligns with your beliefs; not the figurehead! It's why we're in this position with a party that u-turns as their beliefs don't align with most people who voted for them.

Well, it's certainly not all 'Northern Voters'

I think some traditional working class voters voted Tory this time as a 'protest' vote, and they voted for Brexit for similar reasons - years of feeling neglected under all political parties makes an odd voter.
(in both cases what they thought they voted for and what they are getting are not the same but they don't read widely or do research)
My elderly parents (in Kent) are a classic example.
Now horrified at what Brexit is actually going to mean & that nice Mr Farage didn't actually 'stand up for them' & that 'well bred' Mr Johnson is a slimy toad selling contracts to cronies and ruining the UK :(

They are feeling sorry for themselves but don't seem at all concerned about the impact on their grandchildren. I wonder how typical this is?

I live in north Northumberland.
Currently Tier 3 (though cases are lower than parts of London)
Elderly friends and rellies in London bombing about on the Tube, eating out, ignoring all rules re SD 'oh, we went through the war, we are not 'snowflakes, ha ha' (no, they didn't and no anyone younger than 70n is not a 'snowflake' and lecturing me about 'being responsible' and 'people in the North' like we are a different race.
They can sod off. Westminster making a hash of it and demonising the public can sod off too. The snobbery re FSM can sod off too.

I feel sorry for children and anybody who didn't vote Tory.

Adults who voted for them deserve everything they get.

@savethewales , I am a lifelong Labour voter in Manchester (in my fifties) . I didn't vote Tory. I spoiled my paper because there was no one to vote for. I voted Remain.
I am laughing my arse off at neighbours who voted Leave. I am not laughing my arse off at the contemptuous treatment of Manchester by Westminster.
Don't patronise me.

@52andblue I thought all the NE was in tier 2?

[quote bellinisurge]@savethewales , I am a lifelong Labour voter in Manchester (in my fifties) . I didn't vote Tory. I spoiled my paper because there was no one to vote for. I voted Remain.
I am laughing my arse off at neighbours who voted Leave. I am not laughing my arse off at the contemptuous treatment of Manchester by Westminster.
Don't patronise me. [/quote]
I don’t have to patronise you, you’re doing a good job at coming across ridiculous yourself. Spoiling a ballot is as good as voting Tory, you aren’t sticking it to anyone, other than the people counting the votes!

Spoiling a ballot is as good as voting Tory

It really isn’t.

@savethewales , you're so sweet.

What is it that Tier 3 wants then, to make it less of a “ shit show”?

For what it's worth, Labour retained my constituency, the Brexit Party split the Tory vote.

@Leflic , the issue was the contemptuous way it was imposed.

It’s a top down ruling you have issue with? So if the local authorities issued Tier 3 status it would work better ?

Our labour council closed the local libraries. When the Conservatives got in, they reopened them, the conservatives have worked for us locally

No @Leflic . The local leaders explained very clearly how much was needed to help those most badly affected by Tier3. And even compromised on the figure.
Westminster argued the toss over £5m.

Regarding the 'blame' Tory voting Southerners must also wear....

Blame for what?

Many, if not the vast majority of southerners who voted Tory have done so forever. Why? Because the Tories advantage them. It is entirely in their own interests to vote for a party that entrenched their privileges, keeps their taxes low, tax-breaks their children's education; keeps their local crime levels low, sweeps their streets, incentivises buy to let.

Many of these people live in owned larger properties, in 'nice' areas, with good state schools and children they can afford to send to university. They often holiday abroad.

They also voted Leave because they read The Torygraph; and quite a few do stand to benefit financially from Leave (tho I bet quite a few are reconsidering that now the businesses that enriched them are haemorrhaging EU Labour...- the 'forrin' these voters see are these EU workers making them money, 'reliable' plumbers and half the professional staff in their local hospital).

But this is why they vote Tory. Not as a protest against someone else, but because the Tory world view chimes well with their own.

And I will reiterate, against those who say 'The North' voted Tory because they couldn't bring themselves to vote Labour'; Your enemy's enemy is not your friend.

Furthermore, of course I support anyone's right to complain, included a northern constituent who has now discovered how easily they were duped by the Tories.

As for 'What have Labour done for us over the past 10 years?' -you are somewhat overlooking how cash-starved Labour councils have been under those 10 years of Tory Rule.

There'll be far fewer Southerners regretting their vote!

FTR I forlornly voted LD.

There are so many stereotypes on this thread, it beggars belief. But I suppose that, as they are originating from the middle class progressives that make up the labour party now, it is not that surprising.
As a former working class Mancunian (now living elsewhere) I can provide you with a few anecdotes as to why most of my extended family back hone voted Conservative at the election.
Primarily, the reason most cited was the social policies adopted by the Labour Party in recent years. My family just did not support the Critical Justice Theories that Labour adopted. Though they all lean left economically, like many working class people they have fairly Conservative social views. Unlike the tropes repeated here, they are fairly well read, and we debated the pros and cons of a Tory vote in the run up to the election. Overwhelmingly, the consensus was that they were more concerned about Labour's social views, than the economic policies of the Tories.

This has been discussed since the election by various academics and pollsters, and the response of the metropolitan Labour elite has been to denounce these people as racist, homophobic, transphobic bigots etc. etc. Thus ensuring another Tory landslide in 2024...assuming the Tories ger rid of Boris and replace Jim with Rishi Sunak.

Not trying to be goady but trying to understand what the issues are for those in higher rate areas.

I’m in Tier 1.We gave plenty of people moaning that 10pm curfews in pubs is pointless and we should let them open as normal another lot saying they should be shut altogether in a circuit breaker as cases are rising .
Despite life being fairly undisrupted there is constant moaning about too many restrictions.
And no one can agree on schools full stop.

I don’t think either party can do much aside from ride it out. Open or close the country; huge costs either way,

* I am in West Yorkshire. A very deprived part, a Labour stronghold.People voted Tory not because they suddenly changed sides. It was to keep Jeremy Corbyn out.*

^This. I did vote Labour, but I was very much holding my nose while I did so. I did that because they were the only party who could beat the Tories in my constituency and it was the last chance to stop a hard-line no deal Brexit.