Friend said they're planning to break Covid rules..

[ThoroughlyForumed]

I was visiting a close friend yesterday evening (all fine in my location at the moment). We got to chatting about Christmas plans and what we would do 'if' rules changed or were upped in our area.
Luckily for me my family is a neat 6 so as long as we stay in medium we can celebrate together but obviously would change the plan if anything changed. Her family is a larger 11 and she very candidly just said they were all planning to celebrate together regardless of what rules are in place then. I sort of shrugged it off at the time as I didnt want to start a hypothetical argument but AIBU for being secretly pissed off with her for being so cavalier with Covid rules?

@HesterShaw1 Ive seen your posts across a few threads. And i agree with every word.

Even a pandemic can’t change this. Heart attacks, strokes, cancer - all common killers.

Well quite. Plenty of things that can get you that aren’t Covid. So many people are questioning the wisdom of forgoing everything that’s important to them to prevent Covid. It’s not the only show in town. My parents are old, they may not get another Christmas. I’m not missing this one with them.

Easy to say you'll stick to the rules when it works for you. I can't imagine many people complying over Xmas.

And no, it's never ok to be "secretly annoyed" - if you want to get it off your chest then talk to her.

@BitGutted

My brother and his wife are both in the police and say that there is an "expectation" people will not stick to the rule of 6 and provided there isn't 20+ people throwing all night parties it's likely to be overlooked as most police forces won't have the capacity to "police" 8 people at a house not 6 instead of attending a major emergency. It's a difficult one

We're having Christmas in stages

So us 4 plus mum and dad at breakfast

Us 4 plus sis in law and boyfriend at lunch

Tea is 4 plus aunt and uncle (who will lunch with my mum and dad)

Boxing Day my cousin and her daughter plus us 4

Sorted!

This is why it's so illogical. That's so much mixing too!

(I don't disagree with this plan by the way, good for you :) )

"Opening up society and schools/unis caused it to rise. Not a few people breaking the rules".

One person breaking the rules can spread the virus to many and depending on their contacts and contacts contacts take it into schools and unis.

We live in tier 2, probably soon to be tier 3

I sometimes feel we are the only ones observing it in our house....I would say the vast majority are ignoring and living adjacent to a tier one area people going out just travel a mile. The longer the govt try and enforce this pointless regime, the more people are and will continue to ignore it.

Just shows non of the leaders have a clue especially that idiot Drakeford. As a friend of mine who is a medic and scientist in his field says...following the science is purely about the virus...what sage is supposed to do is balancing that with the far more people now dying as a consequence of it and not of it. The kids sinking into drunks who probably wouldn't, the families breaking down and kids being fostered...the list goes on a d these idiots are clueless

[quote MercyBooth]@HesterShaw1 Ive seen your posts across a few threads. And i agree with every word.[/quote]
Thank you for saying so :)

@Sunflowergirl1

We live in tier 2, probably soon to be tier 3

I sometimes feel we are the only ones observing it in our house....I would say the vast majority are ignoring and living adjacent to a tier one area people going out just travel a mile. The longer the govt try and enforce this pointless regime, the more people are and will continue to ignore it.

Just shows non of the leaders have a clue especially that idiot Drakeford. As a friend of mine who is a medic and scientist in his field says...following the science is purely about the virus...what sage is supposed to do is balancing that with the far more people now dying as a consequence of it and not of it. The kids sinking into drunks who probably wouldn't, the families breaking down and kids being fostered...the list goes on a d these idiots are clueless

If you think it’s a pointless regime why are you bothering to comply?

I think people complied during the first lockdown because we’d never been in this situation before and suddenly thousands were dying so most people felt genuine fear. Then the government relaxed the rules, the whole Cummings thing came out, eat out to help out also happened plus cases and deaths drastically reduced thanks to lockdown efforts. People just naturally became complacent and once complacency happens, I don’t think there’s any coming back from that really.

The government will now find it nearly impossible to get people to fall in line again like we all did back in March. It just isn’t going to happen, even now cases and deaths are increasing. People aren’t scared anymore, they just want to go back to living a normal life again. Once you remove fear (which I believe most people did feel back in March) you remove the power of control. The government can’t police everyone’s actions either, they’re reliant on people following the rules but sadly many just don’t want to.

At Christmas I believe many families will break the rules and there’s not much the government can do short of closing down motorways unless emergency vehicles need to use them.

My DC’s school asked parents to wear masks at drop off and pick up times and not to congregate in groups in the playground gossiping. They all still stand around gossiping and a fair few don’t bother with a mask. Some people just don’t care.

@Noitjustwontdo

I think people complied during the first lockdown because we’d never been in this situation before and suddenly thousands were dying so most people felt genuine fear. Then the government relaxed the rules, the whole Cummings thing came out, eat out to help out also happened plus cases and deaths drastically reduced thanks to lockdown efforts. People just naturally became complacent and once complacency happens, I don’t think there’s any coming back from that really.

The government will now find it nearly impossible to get people to fall in line again like we all did back in March. It just isn’t going to happen, even now cases and deaths are increasing. People aren’t scared anymore, they just want to go back to living a normal life again. Once you remove fear (which I believe most people did feel back in March) you remove the power of control. The government can’t police everyone’s actions either, they’re reliant on people following the rules but sadly many just don’t want to.

At Christmas I believe many families will break the rules and there’s not much the government can do short of closing down motorways unless emergency vehicles need to use them.

Unfortunately this attitude means many people don't see why they should think about others. Only their own immediate needs matter to them. Their children often display the same attitude when they go to school.

People were very angry(myself included) about Cummings Ferguson Farrier et al breaking the rules but i dont think that was the turning point that has made a few more people start questioning things. Because a lot of the public are quite desensitised to the behaviour of politicians and advisors and collectively our expectations of them are very low. I think it was incidents like what happened at the funeral of Craig Bicknells dad that proved to be a bit of a catalyst moment.
And i suspect that whats happening in Wales with stopping the supermarkets selling "non" essential goods is going to do the same!

@Noitjustwontdo

I think people complied during the first lockdown because we’d never been in this situation before and suddenly thousands were dying so most people felt genuine fear. Then the government relaxed the rules, the whole Cummings thing came out, eat out to help out also happened plus cases and deaths drastically reduced thanks to lockdown efforts. People just naturally became complacent and once complacency happens, I don’t think there’s any coming back from that really.

The government will now find it nearly impossible to get people to fall in line again like we all did back in March. It just isn’t going to happen, even now cases and deaths are increasing. People aren’t scared anymore, they just want to go back to living a normal life again. Once you remove fear (which I believe most people did feel back in March) you remove the power of control. The government can’t police everyone’s actions either, they’re reliant on people following the rules but sadly many just don’t want to.

At Christmas I believe many families will break the rules and there’s not much the government can do short of closing down motorways unless emergency vehicles need to use them.

I think you’re right unfortunately

Remember some dont have families and are alone at christmas,im one, single no kids,only child,parents dead.Yes ive friends quite a lot but they have families if not partners. One will ask me round if shes not going to partners family,but noone else does and it doesent bother me as an only child i wasnt used to massive family christmases i dont want other peoples.With my friend who has no kids its her and her partner whom i know her mum in law ,and her dog whom i sit a lot when shes at work anyway,so i know her house well.But i dont want other friends families i dont know well.Christmas is one day,who cares,

What i would miss are nights out with friends before, theres a few planned and hopefully will go ahead,but christmas itself, no perfectly happy for christmas day on my own.Its very over rated to us with little family.ive never been mad on it to be honest.

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable, but to be honest I would just leave her to it and look after your own family. Although she says all this now, for all you know her relatives may have other ideas and are planning on sticking to the rules anyway themselves.

Yes, some people don't care. Its like people who smoke, they know will probably kill them but they do what makes them feel good.

@Mytimetokillandmaim

Yabu. Leave her to it. It's her family and xmas. Stay away from her then and worry about your own family.

Least you know not to go anywhere near her for a while after.

People that will catch it and blame the government for not making the rules clear. Sorry but I don't think I'd associate with someone like that after. Very selfish. Just you and yours safe.

I've broken Covid rules by using more than one childcare bubble this half term while I work. I do not feel guilty about it either, those rules are impractical and I need to work so hey ho. I'm following the other rules but I don't judge others for not doing so, it's just ridiculous at this point.

Luckily for me my family is a neat 6 so as long as we stay in medium we can celebrate together

Hopefully they'll change it to 4 or 5 so you'll be in the same position. Currently you're not!

@Ilovemypantry

If you think it’s a pointless regime why are you bothering to comply?

Because I am a law abiding person but am seriously beginning to wonder

@keepgoingorstop

Luckily for me my family is a neat 6 so as long as we stay in medium we can celebrate together

Hopefully they'll change it to 4 or 5 so you'll be in the same position. Currently you're not!

What a horrible, bitchy comment 😡. This pandemic has certainly brought out the worst in many people.

@Ilovemypantry not bitchy at all. It's easy for people to sit in their ivory towers as OP is, when the rules don't affect them. She's judging someone not in the same "neat" position as she is.

She may think differently if she was experiencing the sane issues and be less judgemental.

@keepgoingorstop
It was still a bitchy, horrible thing to say. To wish that someone ends up in the same position that others are in is just nasty. It’s like wishing someone has cancer just because lots of other people have it. I’m sure OP wasn’t sitting happily in her “ivory tower” gloating about the situation as you seem to suggest.

Why is it your business to police what someone else is doing at Christmas in their own home?

Especially as you don't even know what the rules will be by then...

If you want to get pissed off at something, consider the mess that this government is doing by mishandling pretty much every aspect of the fight against the virus.