Friend said they're planning to break Covid rules..

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I was visiting a close friend yesterday evening (all fine in my location at the moment). We got to chatting about Christmas plans and what we would do 'if' rules changed or were upped in our area.
Luckily for me my family is a neat 6 so as long as we stay in medium we can celebrate together but obviously would change the plan if anything changed. Her family is a larger 11 and she very candidly just said they were all planning to celebrate together regardless of what rules are in place then. I sort of shrugged it off at the time as I didnt want to start a hypothetical argument but AIBU for being secretly pissed off with her for being so cavalier with Covid rules?

For those doing their own risk assessment do all of you in the family group have no interaction with anybody outside of the family eg only WFH, children don’t go to school/childcare, only do internet shopping, avoiding all hospitality and accept that you won’t go to doctor/hospital if you are ill. Otherwise you have to factor everybody you may meet into your risk assessment.

@BaylisAndHardon

This thread is making for depressing reading.

I'm a hospital doctor and likely will be spending christmas at the hospital (again), with my husband and baby at home. It's such a slap in the face when we give up so much of our life and our family's life and people, some of whom get a whole week of holiday over the christmas period, or are working from home anyway, can't show front line workers some respect by abiding by the rules.

Yes the government has been a complete embarrassment in their covid management, but we're all working away in hospitals across the country. Can't people do it for us? Where's all that pot-banging spirit now? We've all had a miserable year and front line workers are heading into a shit show of a second wave.

Merry fucking Christmas to us.

@BaylisAndHardon

I was pretty much writing the same thing at the same time...

It’s totally depressing.

I’m sure you’ll just be told it’s what you signed up for by those who don’t give a toss.

I’m sure they’ll be more grateful if they actually need medical assistance during the Christmas period....

The people I know with cancer and depression have continued to be treated throughout the pandemic. In fact, one of them has been told she's beaten her cancer, which was frankly the best news I've ever heard.

Treatment has continued because their local health services haven't been overwhelmed by Covid.

Lucky them. That has not been our experience and because of that it could be DP's last Christmas due to a late cancer diagnosis.

I think people will use common sense and judge for themselves closer to the time. You are being unreasonable judging her for it

@BenWyatt

I think it’s a real dick move to break the rules like this when so many will be sacrificing to follow them but absolutely indicative of our selfish society.

Might be selfish of me but my mental health has absolutely tanked this year. I'm back on meds for depression and anxiety and I'm genuinely not sure what would happen if I had to spend Christmas alone.

I've followed every single other rule to the letter but for my mental health I need some human interaction with my family.

We will not be breaking the rules. All those pp who say "I'll be breaking the rules just like lots of other" are just trying to fool themselves to ease their conscience.

We're in tier 2 and PIL are in tier 1. So we can't stay over at theirs. We have already booked self catering for Christmas, and unless the rules are relaxed, will only be meeting outside. Another branch of the family will not being joining us as it would take us over 6.

sorry i will aswell-actually im not sorry

im in tier 2 my dsis and her fmaily tier 1 and im going for christmas-i dont work they work from home and i rarely go out

@Watermelon999 yep- that's it.

Apparently I signed up to people doing what they want during any global pandemics we have. I signed up to those people subsequently increasing the number of cases I have to treat, the number of families I have to tell that their mum/dad/grandparents/child has died, the likelihood that I'll contract it despite taking every precaution myself, and the likelihood my own family at home will get it.

My husband who is in a high risk category signed up to it too when he married a doctor.

My baby signed up for it too for in case her daddy gets it and dies.

We all signed up for it. It's in the small print just under 'MBChB'.

Depends how the 11 are made up.
Certainly for families with 3 or 4 kids who want to spend time with grandparents I cant get my knickers in a twist about.
If boris took proper action we could have really low numbers by xmas. But he doesn't have the balls so I guess this will just rumble on long term with some following the rules and some not.
I'm compliant personally but if i was a teen or in my 20s i know I'd be living my life as normally as possible.

@Thisisworsethananticpated

“Since March 18 I’ve seen people
Utterly screwed financially
But actually not for health
I’m fact health issue are more people who can’t acess treatment ”

Don’t you think the people who can’t access treatment are being “screwed”?

Can you understand the link between this and not following the rules? Do you think it’s fair on them?

@Hylyma1234

A lot of people are breaking rules, even in supermarkets with the 2 metre distance and the school drop off. The government will no doubt break rules behind closed doors anyway, as has been proven. What got me is that they allowed those who hunt (closely linked to the government) to meet in groups of more than six, which isn’t necessary but imposed restrictions on members of the public meeting friends/family. We haven’t broken any rules and don’t intend to.

I'm not a fan of hunting, but it's outdoors, and people holding rifles aren't likely to get too close to one another anyway. If you're going to argue that it's not necessary, how about adults playing football and rugby, which are also both now allowed?

Personally, I was shocked that soft play was allowed to open. Way more chance of any spread of covid from that.

Well you are a barrel of laughs OP.

I have to agree with the comment above re Doctors..if you are a hospital Dr then you have agreed to work shifts. You meet sick people. You may even get to Dr a pandemic (I would have thought from a purely professional point of view it would actually be good experience!). So it is hard to really complain..in the same way people in the army have to fight wars they don't agree with. I am guessing you would not refuse to treat someone injured when drink driving. Or with diabetes from being over weight. So even if you think people have inflicted Covid on themselves you have to just get on with it. That is what you signed up to.

I think it’s a real dick move to break the rules like this when so many will be sacrificing to follow them but absolutely indicative of our selfish society

Is it? We moved back ‘home’ to be closer to our elderly parents. We’ve seen very little of them this year, I’m damned if I’m not seeing them at Christmas. How do I know it’s not their last?

My FIL died a few years ago. A healthy 71 year old, dropped dead of a heart attack with no warning whatsoever. Life is short and there’s a lot more than Covid that can get you.

If course I treat people regardless of their background or actions, but what does that have to do with being pissed off about people breaking the law during a pandemic?

Are you now not allowed to have an opinion because you're a doctor? An opinion that would save a lot of lives? It's 'first do no harm', not 'first mind your own business even if it's killing people'

Oh please!

I do acknowledge that I'm very lucky with the 6 but if there were more of us we would visit different family members in tandem and stick with whatever the rules are at the time. I agree no-one should feel alone at Christmas but chunks of time each is better than nothing

So you would potentially spread it round your family in smaller groups then op?!

I do acknowledge that I'm very lucky with the 6 but if there were more of us we would visit different family members in tandem and stick with whatever the rules are at the time.*

What a load of nonsense! Leave other people alone ffs.

@MrsJunglelow

I am astounded people are still following this nonsense tbh

Yeah, why on earth would people take precautions not to pass around a virus that can make people really ill/die. Honestly such goody two shoes!

People like you should be made to work in a Covid ward. Or watch people die without their family around them.

It is so easy to be a sanctimonious twat when you fit neatly into the 6.

Please know this isn’t the real feelings of ANYONE I know in real life. Only on MN do you get such fucking ridiculous callous comments.

It didn’t quote the post - but I was referring to the one(s) that say essentially you signed up to this as a doctor. Easy to be a dick via a keyboard it seems.

The problem is, the rules don't make sense and are so changeable.

I went to a restaurant this week where I couldn't have anyone outside my home at my table for a social meal, yet there were 8 people across the way at a table, at a perfectly legal 'business meeting'.

Same restaurant, same service, same chance of virus spread. Different rules.

I can completely understand how your friend feels, to be honest.

“. You may even get to Dr a pandemic (I would have thought from a purely professional point of view it would actually be good experience!)”

Wow @loulouljh!

Note to self, must tell colleagues we need to start enjoying the experience more. I mean, once we’ve got over the worry that we may die, or bring it home with us....

@MrsHerculePoirot thank you. I've never heard anybody say things like that about NHS staff either but then I suppose they wouldn't say it to me. It's really pretty morale-crushing to read though.

You may even get to Dr a pandemic (I would have thought from a purely professional point of view it would actually be good experience!

Jesus