Friend said they're planning to break Covid rules..

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I was visiting a close friend yesterday evening (all fine in my location at the moment). We got to chatting about Christmas plans and what we would do 'if' rules changed or were upped in our area.
Luckily for me my family is a neat 6 so as long as we stay in medium we can celebrate together but obviously would change the plan if anything changed. Her family is a larger 11 and she very candidly just said they were all planning to celebrate together regardless of what rules are in place then. I sort of shrugged it off at the time as I didnt want to start a hypothetical argument but AIBU for being secretly pissed off with her for being so cavalier with Covid rules?

You lucky lot with families of any size having this rule of 6 dilemma!🤔
I live on my own with no family at all. I usually (with my dog/s) go to long time very close but not local friends for Christmas Day & Boxing Day. Well that’s not going to happen this year, but I can cope with it at this time & I will be sticking to the rules. Will look forward to a normal Christmas 2021 🙂

I don’t think YABU those who think the rules don’t apply to them are being very selfish but that’s why for our population we have had so many die and more who will have long term Health needs. We don’t know what it has done to those whose symptoms are mild l hope they do not have a long term impact on their internal organs. I hope you and your families all make it to Christmas. Have a thought for those who cannot visit their loved ones in hospital and care homes as long as the rules keep being broken and the rates are going up.

Cant get that Italian family out of my head, had big family meal. Last I heard two survived

It's so difficult. We have followed every rule imposed, since the start (even though I've not agrees with them all). We've cancelled 2 holidays so far and my son has had his ski trip with school cancelled, we've missed family birthdays, weddings, anniversary and funerals this year. As annoying as that is I can deal with it hoping that this virus will bugger off and let us enjoy 2021!!! What I'm not sure about is whether I can not see my family at Christmas? I've not seen my parents since March (they live the other side of the country) and I've not seen my sister since February (she lives down south). My parents have not seen the grandkids (and this really upsets them, especially my mum). I spend most of the time on my own with the kids (my husband works away from home). I'm really not sure I can honestly say I won't want to say 'sod it' and just invite them here after I've not seen any of them for 10 months.

I'm in Belgium. We're about 2 weeks ahead of UK. The hospitals are already talking of starting triage for who they will treat and who they won't. Christmas is one day. As no one seems to care about SD anyway I dread to think what the situation will be like by Xmas. and the comments to a DR bringing on themselves almost..Jesus.

@Ddot

Cant get that Italian family out of my head, had big family meal. Last I heard two survived

Not heard that one but sounds very sad. There was one about a wedding which sounds similar that was upsetting reading on another thread.

We are tier 2 so no guests indoors so we will just have Christmas as we are. We can still talk to family, video chat etc so not like we can’t wish each other merry Christmas in any way. Presents can still be exchanged, movies watched remotely together etc.

I’d not want the guilt of passing it onto family unknown nor do I want the nhs to stop treating other things as healthcare is important so we will play our part.

This boils my piss.

We wouldn’t have a feckin second wave if arseholes like this just paid heed to the warnings and rules. We could have have a normal Christmas if they hadn’t been so “fed up”’doing what’s right.

For those of you who says “it’s their family, let them get on with it” are as selfish as the “friend”. Christmas isn’t worth dying for. In the big scheme of things EVERYBODY‘S actions count. I don’t give a shite if the family of eleven will suffer Covid or don’t, but it’s their actions that are putting my loved ones at risk.

The irresponsible mask free witch who coughed and spluttered her way down the cereal aisle of Asda broke the rules and put me and my family at risk (but I reduced that risk by omitting porridge for breakfast this week - my family loves it btw, so the alternative toast wasn’t well received).

Ignoring the rule of six is the thin edge of the problem wedge - break one rule and self isolation becomes a nonsense.

Wise the fuck up and realise that your dry turkey lunch and toasting the queen may cause the death of my three vulnerable loved ones somewhere down the line.

Off you go ... high horses are rearing and ready to go, hit me with it.

Are you actually sitting outside all Christmas Day? Isn't that what tier 2 is, only socialising outdoors with those who don't live with you?

I’ve followed the rules since March, we live in a medium tier one area. My family Christmas will be going ahead regardless. We’ve all sacrificed enough this year. Absolutely no way would I leave my 92 year old grandad alone. It’s ok for me to go to work every day and sit with 9 colleagues I don’t live with but I can’t have my family round for Christmas dinner. The government can get stuffed

Christmas is just a day. It'll happen again next year. Everything else is low key this year, so why shouldn't Christmas be too.

I know my elderly father won't want to mix with large crowds anyway so wouldn't come even if we invited him.

Christmas is just a day. It'll happen again next year.

Not for everyone it won’t.

@GreenShadow

Christmas is just a day. It'll happen again next year. Everything else is low key this year, so why shouldn't Christmas be too.

I know my elderly father won't want to mix with large crowds anyway so wouldn't come even if we invited him.

Except for all those that die between now and then ..

@TheKeatingFive

People will see their family at Christmas regardless of restrictions. Better get used to this.

I expect the government know that though and if they’re smart they’ll work with it rather than against it and try to encourage responsible mixing.

I agree. Our planned get together make it makes it seven people.

The cluster fuck that's gone on so far makes it impossible to think that the rules are well thought out.

I'm tier three. All of our gyms were closed but another tier three let their gyms remain open.

We wouldn’t have a feckin second wave if arseholes like this just paid heed to the warnings and rules

Wrong I’m afraid

Opening up society and schools/unis caused it to rise. Not a few people breaking the rules.

"We wouldn’t have a feckin second wave if arseholes like this just paid heed to the warnings and rules"

We would. We can't control it. It's been too disjointed. Bad planning, Bad leadership, Different rules for different tiers.

All of this has made it harder.

@TheKeatingFive

Christmas is just a day. It'll happen again next year.

Not for everyone it won’t.

Even a pandemic can’t change this. Heart attacks, strokes, cancer - all common killers. But you can prevent being killed by Covid 19 if you follow the scientifically proven advice.

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again

Covid is one of the few diseases that you get the blame for catching it

You can follow all the advice...you can still catch covid and die

In the first wave someone I knew went to a family christening and a number of attendees died, including her Father. The virus is still here and can kill people.
Where I live, currently, we’re not allowed to travel outside our health board area but I see on FB that an ex has been hillwalking in The Highlands, cycling in the Borders and elsewhere with various groups of friends! Photos posted, no masks no social distancing and varying ages... this attitude makes a mockery of what the rest of the community is trying to do by observing rather than flouting the rules! So I agree with the OP but saying something might be problematic!

@RonaRossi

At Xmas we will be a total gathering of 11 people from 4 different households.

I’m 100% planning on breaking whatever rules are in place at the time if need be, as are the 3 households invited to ours. We’ll all be having Xmas dinner at mine regardless, as I suspect will millions of others who will be with their families.

Well done you 👏👏👏. Complete disregard for the fact there’s a pandemic going on which has lead to thousands of people dying and many more suffering long term effects.

Let’s just hope that the NHS isn’t overwhelmed just after Xmas with all the new cases and that you or any of your party of 11 don’t need hospital treatment but can’t get it because the hospitals are full. Just as long as you can have your Xmas dinner with 11 people.

@Ilovemypantry

The nightingale hospitals were built for a reason and have never been used. Get them open and give the vulnerable the option to shield (funded by the state).

Stick with masks and social distancing and don’t go to raves. Other than that, we need to get on with life.

@MyMorningHairHasItsOwnVlog

This boils my piss.

We wouldn’t have a feckin second wave if arseholes like this just paid heed to the warnings and rules. We could have have a normal Christmas if they hadn’t been so “fed up”’doing what’s right.

For those of you who says “it’s their family, let them get on with it” are as selfish as the “friend”. Christmas isn’t worth dying for. In the big scheme of things EVERYBODY‘S actions count. I don’t give a shite if the family of eleven will suffer Covid or don’t, but it’s their actions that are putting my loved ones at risk.

The irresponsible mask free witch who coughed and spluttered her way down the cereal aisle of Asda broke the rules and put me and my family at risk (but I reduced that risk by omitting porridge for breakfast this week - my family loves it btw, so the alternative toast wasn’t well received).

Ignoring the rule of six is the thin edge of the problem wedge - break one rule and self isolation becomes a nonsense.

Wise the fuck up and realise that your dry turkey lunch and toasting the queen may cause the death of my three vulnerable loved ones somewhere down the line.

Off you go ... high horses are rearing and ready to go, hit me with it.

I agree with everything you’ve said.

Sadly, some people are so self centred they think that only their lives are important and don’t give a flying fig about anyone else. They don’t care that breaking the rules puts other people’s lives in danger, just as long as they are doing exactly what they want to do.

[quote Ecosse]@Ilovemypantry

The nightingale hospitals were built for a reason and have never been used. Get them open and give the vulnerable the option to shield (funded by the state).

Stick with masks and social distancing and don’t go to raves. Other than that, we need to get on with life.[/quote]
And what happens when the Nightingale hospitals get full as well? Most vulnerable people are already shielding. Nobody knows if they are vulnerable until they get it, there are plenty of people who are not classed as vulnerable that have been very ill with it, many of them suffering with long Covid.

@Ilovemypantry

Currently the vulnerable are being expected to attend work and school as normal- which I think is madness. They should all be offered the opportunity to shield with wages funded if necessary and food deliveries provided.

There is no evidence that ‘long COVID’ actually exists. All viruses have a very small number of people who suffer after effects, some of which can be very serious. COVID is no different.

@Ecosse

There certainly is evidence of long Covid. Many younger people are suffering with it as well.

It makes me think of the large family in Italy who met together for a celebration at the peak in Feb/March. It didn’t end well. Having said that we don’t seem to see those kinds of stories here so it’s stressfully up to each family to assess their risk and responsibilities to others.