Blaming Labour

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Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

I don't care if it was arranged before I was born- you can cancel provocative shit at the last minute .

"The fantasy that Corbyn was in any way part of the peace process is hilarious."

So Corbyn wasn't involved with talking to McGuinesses and Adams long before any other Labour MP? He has never claimed to have been involved with the Good Friday agreement but as part of the beginnings of the dialogue between the formerly excluded parties and Labour.

Again attempting to misconstrue things to fit a certain point.

Google the political term "useful idiot". It's all he is and ever was.

You are obviously kidding yourself if you think that the MP that represesnted a constutiency with a very large Irish populatuion at the time, had no interest in meeting Irish prisoners to discuss prison conditions. This of course being the same person that campaigned tirelessly for the freedom of the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6, and got the same amount of condemnation for it at the time, funny how you revisionists have forgotten that eh?

But wahhh Corbyn is a bad man, his fault I voted Tory.

This is yours shit show, just like Brexit will be for leave voters.

Own it.

I'm a Labour Party member, Jeremy Corbyn's policies at the last election were asking for too much in one go, but since Covid some of them make more sense, free broadband, free school meals for all school age children being just a couple. Andy Burnham would have made a better party leader but to the members he didn't have the right face to lead the party, maybe his views were too left wing, Keir Starmer has more of the same mould as Tony Blair, who don't forget won a landslide victory in 1997, the poster boy quality. I hope by the next election all the voters who moved from Labour to Conservative will have realised that voting for them hasn't done them or the country any good.

Boris meeting with Bannon who was a BrietBart editor

"This is the biggest load of codswallop I have ever heard. I met Mr Bannon in the White House when he was chief of staff to the president, as you would expect, in the course of my duties as foreign secretary."

“It is perfectly true that when the president came to this country last year, Steve Bannon texted me on a couple of occasions trying to fix a meeting. I texted back to say that meeting was not possible. I can’t remember (why). I’m afraid I was otherwise occupied. That is the sum total."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-steve-bannon-tory-leadership-trump-lbc-interview-a8973521.html

I genuinely think that will be the case.

I actually agree about the confusion of some of the Labour policies too, notice how the Government have now nationalised rail on the quiet though?

Tom , I campaigned for the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6. I don't need any lessons on that from Jeremy Corbyn. Or you. I'm half Irish.
I know a self aggrandising gobshite when I see one.

Ah the copy paste queen is here: Ok how's this for you?

www.ft.com/content/68896b0a-959f-11e9-8cfb-30c211dcd229

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-steve-bannon-video-documentary-tory-leadership-trump-a8970881.html

www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/07/boris-johnson-s-meeting-steve-bannon-sign-his-true-character

Whoops.

Oh dear.

Boris can deny it all he likes, but then he is a serial liar.

People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism?

Many of us of a certain age are not scared of it, we despise it. Where in the world has socialism actually worked?

I did, unusually, vote Labour because their local candidate far outshone the sitting Conservative MP. Yet on a 70% turnout he received a 56% share of the vote. He's being banned from several pubs due to his vote against FSM but the local council have pledged FSM for the school holidays. This is Cornwall where we had Liberal MP'S until 2016 GE

I'm not keen on either Corbyn or Johnson but I know more about Johnson to dislike and he's not disappointed me.

Brexit voters do need to own their shit. As do Momentum wankers.

"I don't need any lessons on that from Jeremy Corbyn."

Yet he was one of the very few MPs who did campaign from an early stage.

I know someone who's opinion won't be swayed no matter what the facts are when they are seen.

Do you really think senior members of government and agencies never hold discussions with terrorist groups. The IRA were very powerful and had been for a number of years. She made this claim (wrongly) as governments do time and time again internationally. Is it in the best interest for the public to know when the public are fearful of all talk and negotiations that go on.

And one wrong claim doesn’t excuse what he did. He was not a senior member of the shadow cabinet, he had absolutely NO influence at all (Unlike the PM) and it was a complete disregard to his fellow colleagues and their families. If at the time there was rolling 24hr news and the internet there is no doubt he would have been sacked as the vast majority of the public would find this unacceptable, luckily for Corbyn times were different unlucky for Labour on the long run

"Where in the world has socialism actually worked?"

This is the question asked by those who confuse socialism with communism, after all socialism can involve the regulation of the factors of production by the state, not the outright ownership (look up the definition).

By that factor most states have some socialist provision, those in the Nordic economies who spend a far higher % of GDP on public spending, and have higher rates of progressive taxation can be considered social democracies.

Where has free market capitalism worked? Name me one country that operates on a free market basis?

Andy Burnham’s views too left wing? You’re having a laugh, aren’t you? Burnham was centrist as an MP.

"One of the very few MPs" 😂😂😂😂😂- you clearly have no idea about wank fest that was the hard left at the time.

TomMRiddle
Whoops.
Oh dear.

Why Oh dear - those claims were mentioned in my link - perhaps Steve Bannon is a fantasist;

"He [Boris Johnson] accused opponents of trying to imply he was involved in “some crazy kind of alt-right conspiracy”"

You obviously have very little of the case or the fact that Corbyn got significant criticism in the Sunday Times and NOTW at the time for being one of the few. His researcher into the miscarrige of justice even had his commons pass removed.

But then, doesn't fit your point does it, oh dear.

Looking at socialist countries there is a reason why people reject socialism

Many refer to Nordic countries as being socialist they are not they moved away from socialism (that’s not to say they don’t implement some socialist ideas)

"He [Boris Johnson] accused opponents of trying to imply he was involved in “some crazy kind of alt-right conspiracy”"

Except it wasn't political opponents who initially made the claim.

JRM also met Bannon:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/01/jacob-rees-mogg-held-meeting-with-steve-bannon-in-london

Where was the outrage then?

"Looking at socialist countries there is a reason why people reject socialism"

Again this is said by people who conflate socialism with communism.

Further, the policies suggested by Corbyn's Labour were all far more further in line with Nordic economies than communism.

Hyperbole and factual fail.

"One of the few" 😂😂😂😂😂 such a hero, such a fighter for the true path. 😂😂😂
If he was a genuine hero he would have done all he could to make himself electable so that decent policies could actually have a chance of being enacted. Instead of the unelectable gobshitery that we had to endure making it much easier for the Tories to get in.
Real politicians make compromises. Teenagers (regardless of their actual age) just wank about annoying everyone.

Video clip of John McDonnell from 2013;

"I am a Marxist."
www.pulsemedia-online.co.uk/john-mcdonnell-i-am-a-marxist/

So what? Indvidual MP's can have individual beliefs but it doesn't mean the party is like that.

Was the manifesto Marxist?

Come Clav, you do understand how British politics works right?

Please don't spam copy and paste, its very dull, and your checking of facts is very inconsistent.