Blaming Labour

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Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

As was his guests to the HOP just a few weeks after the IRA bombing

Oh no actually they were not as I have seen him try and defend this - that was absolutely despicable he should have been kicked out of the party there are then but far bigger issues were happening a threat to our democracy

"I suppose Corbyn praising a grotesque antisemitic poster was manufactured too."

Commenting on a thumbnail picture of a mural is not praising it. He did say he should've looked closer. This was in 2012 too. Oh and the intention of the art work was not antisemitic- according to the artist himself.

Raising issues like this, but then ignoring a direct "illuminati" comment aimed at two Jewish MP's or Boris meeting with Bannon who was a BrietBart editor, along with associations to infowars, the AFD, moving the party to be allied with the antisemitic Orban in the EU parliament and many more.

Was there a peep? Was there outrage? No.

Oh yes and Boris Johnson's openly antisemitic Jewish character and depiction of the Jews controlling the media in his novel? Anything?

How about when Johnson allowed antisemitic conspiracies to be published in the Spectator during his time as Editor? Anything?

Nope, this is where the hypocrisy is exposed.

It was never about antisemitism.

"As was his guests to the HOP just a few weeks after the IRA bombing"

Ah see this explains to me that you have just rote learned your arguments and don't actually know the factual basis of them.

The guests to the HOP were former prisoners, neither of whom had ever been involved with a terror attack, both of whom had been involved in a terror attack, both of whom were there to discuss Prison Conditions. This was in the wake of the Tory government removing political prisoner status and the hunger strikes.

But yes, froth, froth and outrage.

You'd probably also have forgotten that Corbyn's constituency in the 1980's had the second largest Irish population in London.

• Neither of whom had been involved in a terror attack.

And as for the veracity of convictions brought against those were involved in the troubles on the independence sides, I'll say no more.

"Commenting on a thumbnail picture of a mural is not praising it. He did say he should've looked closer. This was in 2012 too. Oh and the intention of the art work was not antisemitic- according to the artist himself. "

My arse.

I don't expect better of the Tories. But I do expect better of Labour.

I'm part Jewish and part Irish. I know a fellow travelling "useful idiot" piece of shit when I have the misfortune of treading in it .

"My arse."

Erudite response. It wasn't intended to be antisemitic, go look at the statements by the artist.

Also, if you remember what facebook was like back in 2012 and the quality of the pictures you'll probably see how it wasn't immediately apparent. Even then the comment was about the mural being taken down, and there was no reason for why the mural was taken down given.

I don't give a shit what the artist said. They obviously have some fucking revolting prejudices endemic in their world view. It's like saying "black face" isn't racist.

YANBU One of the most fucking ridiculous excuses I heard for voting Tory was that "no-one else stands a chance in this seat". Which of course they never will if everyone only votes for one party.

My father in law voted Labour every single election since he was able to vote. He could not bring himself to vote for Corbyn, who he thought was a disaster. He did not vote in election. That is why Labour did not win. He alienated too many of Labour loyal supporters.

Fine, but then where were your objections to Boris himself being blatantly antisemitic? Not commenting on a thumbnail picture in 2012?

If we are doing guilt by association, then Boris allowed the publication of Antisemitic articles and has had meetings with others to discuss policy and strategy who used to head up antisemitic media organisations.

Hold the courage of your convictions eh?

But then you won't, because it wasn't about antisemitism, it was driven by a very conservative group who are allied to the Tories and weaponised by the right wing media ( oh the Mail, you know "Hurrah for the Blackshirts").

@TomMRiddle

"As was his guests to the HOP just a few weeks after the IRA bombing"

Ah see this explains to me that you have just rote learned your arguments and don't actually know the factual basis of them.

The guests to the HOP were former prisoners, neither of whom had ever been involved with a terror attack, both of whom had been involved in a terror attack, both of whom were there to discuss Prison Conditions. This was in the wake of the Tory government removing political prisoner status and the hunger strikes.

But yes, froth, froth and outrage.

You'd probably also have forgotten that Corbyn's constituency in the 1980's had the second largest Irish population in London.

Meanwhile Mrs "we don't talk to terrorists" Thatcher was ACTUALLY talking to actual terrorists, and telling bare-faced lies about it.

Don't expect better of the Tories. They are also pieces of shit. Can't you see the difference? Wonder why not.

Thatcher talking to the IRA was because she was in government. Not just wanking about bad boys.

Ah so you allow the Tories to get away with it, but will jump on every tenuous accusation against Labour.

Wonder why>

"Not just wanking about bad boys."

Corbyn was talking to Sinn Fien politicians and former prisoners about prison conditions. But hey, you'll just make shit up to fit your agenda that's clear.

@TomMRiddle , I was around when it happened. It was obviously a wankfest to stick it to an unloved Tory government.

@bellinisurge

Thatcher talking to the IRA was because she was in government. Not just wanking about bad boys.

She said “We don’t talk to terrorists” and then promptly did it and lied about it. She insisted their words were spoken by actors in radio interviews and said they shouldn’t be give the oxygen of publicity.

The double standards on this thread are breathtaking.

"I was around when it happened. It was obviously a wankfest to stick it to an unloved Tory government."

Or meeting prisoners who had their status changed by the Tory government, after one had just died because he went on hunger strike over this? Meeting ex prisoners who felt their voices weren't listened to?

But yeah, it doesn't matter what the debate actually is, or what the facts are. You have your opnion and are sticking by it.

The fantasy that Corbyn was in any way part of the peace process is hilarious. His fans pathetic attempts to steal Mo Mowlem's thunder is laughable. But given that she is a dead woman, it probably comes easy to them.
I would vote Labour in a heartbeat now that those slimy shit bags are away from the heart of the party.

@TomMRiddle

Is that you Owen Jones?

Tom, no idea how old you are but I was around for all of this. The shock and aftermath of the Brighton Bomb was not the time to have this photo opportunity - which is all it was.

So the fact that it was arranged long before hand didn't matter? There would never have been a right time.

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think any self-aggrandising stunt that Corbyn pulled as an obscure opposition back bencher had any influence whatsoever.