Blaming Labour

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Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

Boris is a socialist? you seriously just not only thought that but wrote it down?

I've been a hardcore leftie and Labour voter since I could first vote, and I had to hold my nose and grudgingly vote for Corbyn since I thought Boris was so much worse.

There's no doubt in my mind that Corbyn is an antisemite and several of my relatives and friends voted Tory because they felt unsafe voting in an antisemite.

Dismissing the concerns of the Jewish community as "Russian interference" is straight up racism.

@user1471565182

Boris is a socialist? you seriously just not only thought that but wrote it down?

Well yes, the majority of the UK's taxation and funding is spent on social welfare programs.

We are a socialist country (even our conservatives dun dun dun) and rightly so.

We dont argue capitalism over communism etc here we just have arguments over the degree of socialism or which group should get what.

Boris Johnson being a socialist is genuinely one of the most insane things I have ever read on this website.

Honestly, politicians are mainly all out for themselves. However, critique of labour from Tory voters - not necessarily people on this thread - is a joke. You want to criticise Corbyn for being anti-Semitic? When you voted for fucking Boris Johnson? Jesus.

People going on and ON about how Jeremy corbyn is evil, seemed like a serial killer, is an awful person and all his followers are deluded - can you not see how bonkers that makes you sound when you are aiming all that vitriol and hatred towards him and not the party who quite literally just voted not to feed hungry children? And even before that, the list of awful things they’ve done is endless.

Think what you like about Labour, they’re certainly not above criticism. I will only vote for them as it’s the only useful vote against the Tories. Just stop getting distracted from the real villains here.

And I’m not saying that not liking corbyn because of anti Semitism is wrong - I just saw many Tory voters call him racist whilst bigging up Boris, which is wilfully ignorant.

Elsewyre It suits Russia to destabilise the Western world.

So are you saying you have confused communism with socialism?

Boris is not a socialist.

@sst1234

Here’s the thing, if there was a GE tomorrow ....Tories would still win.

1. Their policies are non existent or still hard left territory.

2.Then look at the shadow cabinet, who would you want running the treasury - Sunak, Dodds, Dodds, Sunak. Hmmm, I think it’s pretty clear that most people don’t even know who the shadow Chancellor is.

1. The opposition leader stood by like a vegetable and enabled that disaster that was Corbyn and orchestrated the disastrous Brexit policy for Labour.
2. Labour deputy leader’s babymama act is just boring if not a little cringe
3. Lenin McClusky’s tentacles are well truly embedded into the core of Labour
4. I can’t be bothered to go on, you get the picture

Now tell me, who shall we blame for Labour’s woes.

1. 6 months before the pandemic, the pandemic preparedness plan was dropped, Emergency PPE stocks were thrown away.

2, £9 billions spent on a failed test and trace system which made hundreds of tory donor millionaires.

1. dido Harding
2. Dominic Cummings
3. Trasnporting asylum seekers to a remote island some 6K miles away?
4. Lying through the teeth about "world beating"this and "world beating" that
5. Denying the essential nutrition to children during half term
6. Stubbornness of brexit
7. Abolition of Public Health England at the peak of a global pandemic, only to be replaced by an organisation headed by that vicious woman, Dido Harding.

. . . Do you need more reasons to NOT TO VOTE Tories.?????

@sevencontinents

Mokusspokus - I agree with your overall point that Corbyn failed. However, you are plainly incorrect when you say that Corbyn took the party so far left that it met far right. Either you are being disingenuous or you don't understand what far left means. You are also insulting those who have actually lived under a far left regime. Please check your language.

I don't think anyone really buys that horseshoe theory any more. It was already discredited when I did my degree in the early 80s. While extreme right and extreme left regimes have exercised similar means of repression and control, they're ideologically miles apart.

If there was any truth in the horseshoe theory, communists wouldn't have been on the Nazi's list of people who should be got rid of.

If there was any truth in the horseshoe theory, communists wouldn't have been on the Nazi's list of people who should be got rid of.

Or maybe that was another reason for getting rid of them. When your competitors are similar to you then you try to discredit and get rid of them.

Anti-semitism is 100% racism.

Telling Jews that they're wrong and ignorant about anti-semitism is pretty fucking racist.

Trying to shoehorn Israel into the conversation every single time a Jewish person complains about anti-semitism is also super fucking racist.

Chuckle away all you like.

Because for the most part this country is obsessed with generating their own personal wealth and keeping it all for themselves. This is what the Conservative party have always stood for. Most people in this country would rather vote for a party who penalises those who have been less successful or have less opportunity but donate a 6 pack of baked beans to a food bank to justify that they care for others, whilst living in their large house & getting away with paying as little tax as possible.

"Telling Jews that they're wrong and ignorant about anti-semitism is pretty fucking racist."

The Jewish community is split. There are those who believe that the anti-Semitism row was deliberately manufactured to discredit Corbyn.
Are they racist?

In reality what is going on here is the same thing that happened after Brexit and Trump.

People who voted for the shit show now want to blame the other side for their vote. Take responsibility for yourself, this is not "look what you made me do".

Labour did not lose their seats in the North because they were "woke" or any other kind of thing, this election was purely about Brexit.

Lets break down the numbers to prove it.

The Tories gained 1.2% of the vote

Labour lost 7.9%

The majority of this was lost to Lib Dem votes, who gained 4.1%, so in comination of Labour's 7.9% the Tories and Lib dems took over 5% of it away. The others were split between the SNP ( 0.8%) and the Brexit party which stood in Labour seats but not Tory ones.

Further the narrative that Corbyn should have stood down before the election is very revisionist, in 2017 Labour had outperformed expectations and won the largest share of the vote that they'd had since 2001.The narrative that people "couldn't vote for Corbyn" is strange cause a lot had voted for him two years previously.

The criticisms of confused policies I agree with, but Boris had very few, and the Tories in general had performed badly throughout the campaign as well.

In essence this came down to Brexit. Labour's confused policy on Brexit ( actually it wasn't it just wasn't absolutist), put off voters. In many constintuencies that swung from Labour to the Tories. Almost all saw increases in the Lib dem vote, as well as to the Tories, with the Brexit party also performing at around the same level UKIP had before.

This election was a one issue election because that's how the Tories framed it.

Don't blame Labour, blame the electorate.

Oh and almost all of the seats lost in the North to the Tories, voted for leave.

[quote rwalker]@VinylDetective
We might well have been able to afford the policies in the last Labour manifesto, after all this government seems to have access to unlimited amounts of money.

Think you find they are borrowing unpresidented amounts of money plunging us into a level of debt as a country we have never had.
Good luck to the party left to sort it out and work out how to even start paying it back .[/quote]
You know it won't be paid back right.

I think the trouble is lots of people don't understand economics myself included.
Though I am doing hours of research at the moment.

Anyone who votes Tory is literally making the rich richer though and the disparity glaring that's obvious.

@TomMRiddle

So you want to ‘blame the electorate’? Well done, keep going, it’s a sure fire way of attracting the voters back.

To be honest, this sort of utter madness keeps the electorate safe from Labour as they are not likely to beget anywhere near power while momentum brigade goes around blaming the very people it wants to attract.

Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up.

The Jewish community is split. There are those who believe that the anti-Semitism row was deliberately manufactured to discredit Corbyn.
Are they racist?

What about Trump and his black supporters? Do they mean Trump is not racist?

It's a pretty pisspoor argument tbh.

Imagine after hundreds of years of their bloodthirsty history conservatives thinking they can lecture anybody atall about anti semitism. They've entirely ignored it in reese mogg, Johnson's novel, Farages mad rantings and the blood libel theory repacked in Qanon.

ohhh and the rebranded nazi theory of cultural marxism(i.e Jewish bolshevism) going mainstream in british conservatism.

"Sure fire way of attracting voters back"

I vote Lib dem. This was a political analysis of the situation, and its correct. If you seek to blame Labour for your choice of vote and how its turned out you need to own your vote.

The idea that former Labour seats are now going to be Tory for years to come also ignores the fact that this was a one issue election. Things probably will be very different at the next because Brexit will have happened and things will have moved on.

The Tories have already shown that their "levelling up" stuff is a load of guff and they will continue to be a shit show for years to come.

"What about Trump and his black supporters? Do they mean Trump is not racist?"

They Black community is not split on Trump to anything like the same way that the Jewish Community is split on Corbyn/Labour. Nor is the issue with Trump supporters and their racism anything like on the same scale that antisemitism was/is in the Labour party. False equivalence. Pretty piss poor thinking.

"They've entirely ignored it in reese mogg, Johnson's novel, Farages mad rantings and the blood libel theory repacked in Qanon."

Yes, and other cases too.

It shows that its not actually about antisemitism.

[quote sst1234]@TomMRiddle

So you want to ‘blame the electorate’? Well done, keep going, it’s a sure fire way of attracting the voters back.

To be honest, this sort of utter madness keeps the electorate safe from Labour as they are not likely to beget anywhere near power while momentum brigade goes around blaming the very people it wants to attract.

Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up.[/quote]
This.

And they still don't learn that people really don't take kindly to being called thick ignorant, bigoted, wrong etc because they don't subscribe to a very narrow set of views. It's not a vote winner!

I suppose Corbyn praising a grotesque antisemitic poster was manufactured too. To quote Joe Biden- a fog horn rather than a dog whistle. He didn't know it was wrong, apparently. A man just a bit older than me and he didn't know it was wrong. My arse.
I blame Labour a lot. Obviously, I blame the Tories but I blame Labour too. And I praise them for flushing this shit down to the sewer where it belongs.