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To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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Anon778833 · 23/10/2020 20:27

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

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PathThreeTwoOne · 24/10/2020 22:14

You see, others posts and mine are clear examples of us all seeing similar things but coming to different conclusions regarding them. Ultimately in politics, my belief at the moment is that you are choosing the better of the two evils so to speak, which is why I abhor when one ‘side’ belittles the other with little understanding when neither can be defended completely and nor should they be.

Posters talk about fears of voter fraud from the right without countering that with the same fears of voter fraud from the left. USPS have openly endorsed Biden. I shouldn’t need to say anything else to that as anyone thinking logically would see the huge issue with this and would not abide it if it was the other way around. Again with mail in voting. There is a distinct difference between an absentee ballot and the version the left is pushing. One is requested by the voter themselves, which the right are completely for, and then there is mass sending out ballots that haven’t been requested and is more open to abuse.

Regarding Trump potentially refusing to respect the results of an election, it’s a rather laughable argument considering how the left has acted before and after his election. If they had accepted the election results themselves then we wouldn’t see the huge fracture, that’s dividing even families themselves, that we do now.

People talk about Trump being racist (which I would question) whilst overlooking Bidens own indiscretions. His friendship with Byrd who was once a kkk member, being told that you ain’t black if you don’t vote for him, poor children being just as smart as white children, these are just to name a few. Proud boys are used against trump as proof of white supremacy/racism without people being honest regarding the facts that many members are ethnicities other than white, they’ve denounced white supremacy (along with Trump) and that it was effectively brought about as a counter to leftists radicals, the last point being amusing if it wasn’t so serious. Maybe look into Black Voices for Trump on instagram and see what they have to say before believing a label as fact and not opinion.

As for silencing, there is a reason why they are called ‘silent’ voters and that is down to knowing the abuse you open yourself up to if you aren’t. That can’t really be said for leftist voters at the moment, despite some abuse they may open themselves up to online, as the scales are completely different in my opinion. The media and social platforms are shameful for contributing to this but you wouldn’t know unless you care to research this for yourself. Anything against Trump is all over the papers but much regarding Biden is suppressed such as foreign affairs regarding Hunter. It may be false, it may not be, but it deserves the same attention as it would get if it was regarding Trump and his own family. This amongst others.

Below is a minor example that his stood out to me regarding the current political climate and made me question much about what I was being led to believe. There was a video being shared showing a very young child dressed as a police officer and being beyond excited when the police showed up to greet him. Such a heart warming video, regardless of your feelings surrounding Black Lives Matter, and yet it was hidden with the warning graphic content. Shocking in my opinion and If this is the levels we’ve got to then we have gone seriously wrong somewhere.

I would say that I’m typically a centrist with rather liberal leanings in many areas but once I went down the path of both sides, I realised just how much we’ve veered from the path that once defined the word liberal. What you are seeing with Trump and the tories is that path trying to correct itself, however messily, as it has been pushed too far off course that ,right now, I would say that it’s not much better, if at all, than the far righters they claim to be against. The left are failing and allowing the potential rise in far right radicals because, instead of seeing the shift, trying to understand it and correcting any radicalism within themselves, they are trying to bulldoze their way through instead.

The above isn’t a way for me to try to defend Trump as I could say much against him, just as I could say much in favour for Biden, but rather to show that polarised views are not helpful for anyone but extremists. I understand why some people would vote Biden despite the above. I also understand why some people would vote Trump despite what some posters have rightly pointed out above also. Neither are wrong and if their was more tolerance on both sides then radicals on either side could never take hold. Unfortunately, most are playing their game and one side will eventually lose if the majority don’t come together and stop both. The road to hell is not paved by good intentions but good intentions done wrong.

PercyKirke · 24/10/2020 22:22

I work for a US company. The Yanks I have spoken to split into 3 categories: (1) vote Trump, think Trump will win, (2) vote Biden, think Trump will win, (3) don't/won't vote, think Trump will win.

None think Biden can do it.

Janegrey333 · 24/10/2020 22:24

I’m too scared to tempt fate.

PercyKirke · 24/10/2020 22:24

The also tend to give the same reason, Biden is too much a Washington insider.

CoffeeandCroissant · 24/10/2020 22:46

"USPS have openly endorsed Biden."

Nonsense. The National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC) (the trade union representing postal workers) have

based on input from union members via polling, surveys, responses to its candidate questionnaire and a discussion with Biden.

HoldMyLobster · 24/10/2020 22:50

@PercyKirke

I work for a US company. The Yanks I have spoken to split into 3 categories: (1) vote Trump, think Trump will win, (2) vote Biden, think Trump will win, (3) don't/won't vote, think Trump will win.

None think Biden can do it.

What industry? North or south? East or west?
BiBabbles · 24/10/2020 23:08

The also tend to give the same reason, Biden is too much a Washington insider.

That's been a concern of mine (along with the already mentioned questionable actions that make others not feel comfortable voting for him) - it has felt like the Democrats have learned nothing. Currently, most swing states are Midwestern, but it keeps being largely ignored if not mocked outright just as it was in 2016. Democrats Abroad have been really pushing hard for the expat vote, even when Biden has shown us nothing but contempt. Many are willing to look past their selective consideration for tactical reasons, but they're making it a lot harder than they need to. I'm hoping it's not going to ruin everything again, but it's all too close to call.

Irisheyesrsmiling · 24/10/2020 23:09

Sadly I think he will win.

Twillow · 24/10/2020 23:11

IF Trump is re-elected it's a sure sign 2020 is cursed.

All the lies are so easily fact-checked but his voters ignore that.
For example, "crime in New York has skyrocketed" - in fact, MOST crimes have shown a pretty good decrease. Gun crime and murders ARE up though, considerably. But ask yourself who supports the NRA and who has whipped up social unrest through denouncing genuine BLM protestors as 'antifa'?

Trump just seems to be SO unlikeable it absolutely beggars belief that he has got where he has without corruption. He has no charm, humour or likeability in my eyes anyway. He epitomises the worst of the USA.

Sceptre86 · 24/10/2020 23:17

I expect him to win. It has been a crap tear and is likely to get more shitty. The polls were wrong last time. People often won't openly say they are voting for Trump for fear of looking like a facist . Saying that he also has a lot of supporters who believe he alone speaks sense and is not like other politicians. Just because a lot of left leaning celebs would vote Biden doesn't mean the average Joe will. The US election results are important, their leader has a huge influence on politics on a global scale and it is native to thing otherwise.

Sceptre86 · 24/10/2020 23:18

*year

blueangel19 · 24/10/2020 23:18

all Twillow glad to hear New York is safer now. My friends have told me that it looks like the film The Joker.

blueangel19 · 24/10/2020 23:24

all Sceptre86 Exactly right.

Twillow · 24/10/2020 23:31

@ShesMadeATwatOfMePam
I've just watched that compliation of Biden, and looked at some fact-checking sites.
For those who haven't seen it, it's Biden meeting familes for photoshoots mainly at White House events. The families that have been contacted are perfectly content with his behaviour and say their children were not uncomfortable other than being in front of a camera, and that what Biden said to them was reassurance about the situation. There are other clips around of him making physical contact with children which are being used out of context, such as the one of him comforting a boy at a funeral.
It's maybe more handsy that is currently politically correct, but seems to be being abused as misinformation, designed to appeal directly to people who are triggered by potential child abuse. Makes you wonder who put it out there!

PathThreeTwoOne · 24/10/2020 23:34

@CoffeeandCroissant

I take your point and apologise for misspeaking. USPS themselves have not endorsed Biden but many of its workers have through their union. Thank you for correcting.

Twillow · 24/10/2020 23:53

@Fluffycloudland77

Please could you explain the desire of Americans with regard to the outrage that anyone should try to prevent them from owning what are in effect military-grade weapons, and why the 2nd amendment is in 2020 still applicable?
Have you actually watched that Biden clip? Of course he didn't try to strangle a voter, that's a ridiculous thing to claim it evidences.

Proudboomer · 25/10/2020 00:20

@Twillow

IF Trump is re-elected it's a sure sign 2020 is cursed.

All the lies are so easily fact-checked but his voters ignore that.
For example, "crime in New York has skyrocketed" - in fact, MOST crimes have shown a pretty good decrease. Gun crime and murders ARE up though, considerably. But ask yourself who supports the NRA and who has whipped up social unrest through denouncing genuine BLM protestors as 'antifa'?

Trump just seems to be SO unlikeable it absolutely beggars belief that he has got where he has without corruption. He has no charm, humour or likeability in my eyes anyway. He epitomises the worst of the USA.

You have contradicted yourself as you that crime has not skyrocketed But then say gun crime and murder are up considerably. So not being American and having no idea of crime in New York I had a google.

www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/crime-and-violence-surge-continues-as-shootings-increased-166-from-2019-nypd/2598176/

From nbc who are pretty anti Trump so we can assume they wouldn’t gild the lily in his favour. The only decrease is in rape reporting which the NYPD themselves declare is under reported.
If indeed petty crimes have decreased and I couldn’t find any stats on them it would still pale into insignificance when gun crime is up 166%.

Twillow · 25/10/2020 00:34

@Proudboomer

Apologies if I did not express myself clearly. I believe I said "most crimes have decreased" - rape, assault and robbery to name some. Though of course there could be issues with underreporting.
My point is it is disingenuous of Trump to say Crime has skyrocketed in New York when not all crime has, but specific crimes absolutely have, and without giving any potential reasons or analysis for this is an incendiary stance for political gain. Would you disagree?

troph · 25/10/2020 00:40

I don't think anyone would have believed he would win the first time but he did. The only think I can't believe is how he's not been assasinated yet, with the amount of controversy he causes

Proudboomer · 25/10/2020 01:00

I would think a increase of 166% in shootings could be termed skyrocketed and even if other crimes have decreased I think that voters would look more at the increase in violent crimes than any possible decrease in non violent.
From the article given the NYPD themselves say they are under manned with a higher than average retirement rate this year and then you have the very public cries to defund the police when they already say they are understaffed and violent crime is increasing.
Then with the on going Portland and Seattle issues it leaves the door wide open for him to put himself forward as the candidate for law and order.

NonCisWoman · 25/10/2020 01:10

Can anyone explain the Hunter Biden scandal? I can't seem to find what's truth and what's fake?

Twillow · 25/10/2020 01:17

@Proudboomer
I agree that murders and shootings catch the voter's eye via the media. Are you interested in discussing why this type of crime has skyrocketed though?

Twillow · 25/10/2020 01:27

@allNonCisWoman Not sure either of Trump or Biden have a clean slate when it comes to China and Ukraine affairs! Isn't it sad that these are the best the nation can offer? But then we have Boris.

cbt944 · 25/10/2020 01:42

I want an end to his evil reign, and his encouragement of narcissism, denialism, and sociopathy. He's like an ink stain on the world, ever spreading. I really hope Biden gets in, but have a dead, cold, sinking feeling that this dreadful callous facile liar will win again.

PathThreeTwoOne · 25/10/2020 01:55

@NonCisWoman

My understanding of it, limited as it may be, is that it’s claimed that Hunter Biden left three laptops at a small computer repair business and abandoned them. One was recovered and on it a vast array of emails showing Hunter Biden and Joe Biden profiteering from business deals in China in exchange for access to Biden who was as you know vice president. Whether is was actually three or just one, I am not sure but that is what I initially read. Afterwards Hunters former business partner, who was named in the emails, has come forward to claim that these emails and the content within are correct and has given access to all of his own emails and data to back it up. Joe Biden has denied it all and claims it to be Russian propaganda. Apparently Hunters solicitor has also been in touch with the owner of the repair shop to ask for the laptops back, before or after the story was made public I am not sure. Aside from the above, a few pictures allegedly from the laptop have been circulating showing Hunter to of been taking drugs and a republican senator I believe has alluded to there seemingly being child abuse uncovered on the laptop also and is said that the FBI are investigating. Nothing has been released regarding this officially. Now, a lot of the above has come from more right wing sources and most left wing media aren’t really reporting on it due to it so far being unverified so please don’t take it as fact and I would question its truth if nothing more comes from it before the election. The only thing I will say that I disagree with is the fact that it is not being reported on in the same way it would be if it was regarding Trump.