To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

[Anon778833]

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

Left wing bullies.

Oh... hang on...

@HoldMyLobster

Laughable.

fingers crossed

@HoldMyLobster

Left wing bullies.

Oh... hang on...

Fake News, Director of National intelligence confirmed emails sent by Iran in an effort to "damage Trump" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8866155/amp/US-confirms-IRAN-responsible-fake-Proud-Boys-emails-targeting-Democratic-voters.html mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2772YL

Didn’t stay up last night but now seeing that no one has won yet, Trump has had a tweet removed accusing his rival from stealing the race and now Trump is about to speak from the White House. What’s happening?

@Parker231

Everyone will have different answers for you but what I’m seeing is the right worried that Biden is going to cheat regarding mail in ballots, namely in Pennsylvania.

There was a video of him stating “I don’t need you to get me elected but I need you once I’m elected “ and he went on to say tonight that he’s confident that he’ll win despite predictions for the remaining states likely saying otherwise. Trump is currently up around 700,000 votes in Pennsylvania and due to the delay in counting ballots, which may apparently take a week, there are fears of fraud and this changing whilst the left are saying that if so it won’t be because of fraud but due to mail in ballots being more likely in favour of Biden. Trump has since said that he believes he will win and has won.

Now the truth? Who actually knows. Both sides are accusing the other of the same things, as has been the case since the start. However, it seems that any type of unity is sadly unlikely and is clearly much more divisive than some thought it would be. Similar to the divide created around Brexit. No one wins.

Just watched the Trump speech. What a disaster he is - I thought the US was a democracy. The winner will be declared when all the votes have been counted . The US is conducting their election like a unlawful country.

If it was any other country in the world. America would be threatening to send on the troops to take order.

If Trump is the lawful winner, it’s a sad day for the US population and a disaster for other countries around the world.

@Parker231

If Trump is the lawful winner, it’s a sad day for the US population and a disaster for other countries around the world.

Absolutely! And Trump wants votes counting to ‘stop now’? He’s a loser in every sense of the word. It reflects exceptionally badly on the USA that they want an inept, illiterate, fascist, sexist and obnoxious individual to lead the country. God help us all.

I’m not one bit surprised by the current result.

What does surprise me is that America can’t sort out elections. How can it be acceptable for people to be standing in line waiting to vote (possibly still deciding which way to vote) when the polls have closed in a neighboring state and results have already been declared? They need a start and finish time that is the same for everyone. So if the polls close at 8pm on the west coast, it’s 11pm on the east coast. They need to be able to count every last vote before a result is declared - this bizarre live counting with news organisations able to tap into the stats “with x percent of the vote counted”. All the speculation can and does influence votes.

Postal voting has its place, but on a mass scale such as we’ve seen in this election? It is surely open to fraud.

I think the result - so far - will be seen as kick in the teeth from the average American to the woke liberal elite. It’s a crying shame both sides didn’t have better candidates, that is came to these two men is disturbing. I wouldn’t know which to vote for - maybe Kanye?

I don't think all the Trump bashing from certain quarters has helped Biden. In fact the opposite.

I agree Vivienne

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Marina on form...

She didn't mention another dreadful gaffe Biden made yesterday in his confusion. I feel sorry for him but he can't be President.

My mum used to do that with her own children though - she’s work her way through the names until she got to the right one. And she wasn’t sleep deprived, zipping across the nations to hold rallied and trying to run for presidency. At least he doesn’t call people nasty names and do horrible impressions of them (you don’t do that by mistake).

Ugh, one site, paddypower I think it was, had trump at 50/1. I was going to aswell, then forgot and now hate myself. I really ca see it happening. And I think the 'shy trump voter' is the reason why. We get it here, the shy tories. Who won't admit to vting tory as people abuse them for it. Its a real phenomenom here, I have seen it happen with many. Unsure about life in USA but I imagine its not that different and 'the left' have huge sway there, socially at least? I am a leftie too, lifelong, but I do accept that many on 'my side' seem all for shutting down any differing opinions, and shaming people into silence at times. 'Right wing' is almost a dirty word in my circles, its used as an insult, which is..wrong really.

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

My mum used to do that with her own children though - she’s work her way through the names until she got to the right one. And she wasn’t sleep deprived, zipping across the nations to hold rallied and trying to run for presidency. At least he doesn’t call people nasty names and do horrible impressions of them (you don’t do that by mistake).

My grandma did this all the time, my mum would take the piss. Grandma would go through all the kids names, all the grandkids, and sometimes even the dog, before getting the right one. Then, she died, and my mum started doing it too. And I found myself doing it a few days back [shocked]

It wouldn’t be so bad but then she started to throw the dog’s name into the list! 😂

[quote BelleHathor]Jonathan Pie hits it again, like the Babylon Bee satirical media has been on point: "Beating Trump is not a political ideology..... What do you stand for?.....People who think Trump is an idiot but found it easier to put food on the table under him than Obama"
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Increasingly I think many middle class liberals don't realise that a significant number of people vote pragmatically. They don't see anyone as really representing them ideologically; they don't like any of them in terms or personality; and they don't trust them or their party to do what is right or what they say they will. They don't see either party as being especially on their side, and they do see both as having done exploitative things, and evil acts.

So what it comes down to is the economy, which may have little to do with Trump of Biden really. Specific policies that might affect them - notably no one is offering health care solutions. Special interests that concern them, for example Ex-Cubans aren't keen on the Democrats, nor are Catholic marxists. Maybe international issues, which Trump has surprisingly made better headway on than we'd have expected, mainly by not getting to involved, and he's also stepped back from international conflicts.

Yet again the liberal elite have miscalculated that their gender identity politics and liberal social agenda and 'progressive' social changes are not actually the priority for families struggling to pay bills and educate their children.

Confirmation bias where we all discuss how terrible Trump is and how all his supporters are racist neramdathals doesn't seem to have worked either.

Whole sections of reasonable, hard working, law abiding people who are quite prepared to recognise social justice and progressive social development have been left behind in Western society. When they question this and voice genuine concerns they are labeled and ridiculed and told to shut up.

Trump is no doubt a flawed person with personality traits that are not suitable for leadership, but you have to ask why he gets the vote. 100 million Americans are not uneducated, racist, rednecks but they have been marganalised by an agenda that they never signed up to.
Maybe the left need to do some self analysis.

I think the attitude of those poor folk don't know what they're voting for is unhelpful. And celebs lecturing from million dollar mansions is enough to make people do the opposite.

If Trump wins I wonder how many more people are unnecessarily going to die from Covid.

Trump is no doubt a flawed person with personality traits that are not suitable for leadership, but you have to ask why he gets the vote. 100 million Americans are not uneducated, racist, rednecks but they have been marganalised by an agenda that they never signed up to. Maybe the left need to do some self analysis

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The thing is though, that Trump is only the president of his supporters. He is not the president of all Americans.

There are many, many Americans (maybe not so many white Americans) who have felt dismissed and ignored by him over the past four years.

And they have turned out to vote in droves, too.

A little bit of self-analysis all round is probably appropriate.