To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

[Anon778833]

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

Both the left and the right need to do some analysis, and that's the way it should be

however, I want to go back to boring politics, when every day doesn't bring a new drama from Trump. When the world feels safer, when climate change is not denied, when people aren't marginalised, when we in the UK pick up on the racism and isolatiosm.

And hoping it might see Johnson off

when we in the UK Don't* pick up on the racism and isolationism

Cannot bloody stand Jonathan Pie. His act is exactly the kind of smug centrism he claims to be against. Calls out so called shock results after they've happened pretending he saw it coming all along and humour relies on swearing a bit and being a bit angry. Another of those who tries to make out theres nothing worse than making a political prediction based on polling. Also one of those legitimising the nonsense idea that liberal minded people are to blame for people voting for bigoted populists because those people dont want to admit their own minds. And hes even managed to be wrong this time, along with those on the thread who were smugging it up a few days ago.

Its looking like Trump is now not holding onto power after one term- this is a huge loss for republicans (and remember he didnt win the popular vote the first time around). That initial win in 2016 due to a crappy 'democratic' system is hiding a lot of problems for republicans-i.e demographics are wiping them out and they have managed to seemingly lose or very, very nearly lose after one term with the strong economy they were handed against a weak opposition candidate.

What do they do next? the idea they are floating around is Tucker Carlson next in, for the love of sanity.

The fact that Trump managed to get 69 million votes shows that far from being small MAGA has grown by 3 million since 2016 and unless the Democrats address that if Trump loses it will be Tucker 2024.

The polls were massively wrong (maybe deliberately?) and before the 12am pause there was effectively a red wave with the Republicans winning house seats and only losing 1 senate seat. Totally going against the narrative that Republicans have left Trump, instead the base has grown.
The MSM media cannot "announce" who is president, that is up to the House of representatives and the state legislatures. This election will be decided in the courts its Florida 2000 on steroids.

For years I bemoaned the fact that politics appeared to be a charisma free zone. It was the same old political platitudes being spouted daily.
However, I now yearn for ‘boring’ politicians, the ones who just get on with the job and attempt to bring some unity.
The only ‘good’ thing about Trump is that his presidency has encouraged more people to vote. Well, they have voted and it appears that he has lost
He now needs to go quietly and give Joe Biden the time to put right some of the wrongs that he ( Trump) caused.

@cologne4711

Trump will get re-elected.

I hope this post doesn't age well but at the moment I think people who think Biden will get elected are deluded.

I suppose Biden has one big advantage over Hillary Clinton - being male.

Not that deluded after all then.

Hammer & SCORECARD software and. Dominion may become pertinent in the next few weeks.

I really enjoyed the speech and fireworks for the president-elect and vice president-elect this evening.

It's tough for Trump and his team that they've lost, but hopefully after some self-analysis they'll manage to be graceful in defeat.

Trouble is.... they'e never shown an ounce of grace for 4 years, so now they have their back against the wall, I cannot see it happening now...

I cannot for one minute imagine Donny giving a conceding speech. Something that might actually benefit him in the future. I think he will rant and rave if he does a speech because his narcissism means he is one of the people he despises so much 'suckers and losers'

@BelleHathor

Hammer & SCORECARD software and. Dominion may become pertinent in the next few weeks.

Republicans lie in order to be repeated. If you keep repeating a lie often enough, then eventually people believe it's the truth.

We're going to see a lot of that in the next few weeks.

You're going to hear 'stolen election' and 'election fraud' and 'observers not allowed in the room' and 'ballots faked' and 'Dominion voting systems' etc.

The goal is to sow doubt and confusion.

People fall for it partly because they love a conspiracy theory. They love to think they know something you don't.

Just like before the election you heard 'Hunter's laptop' and 'Tony Bobulinski' and 'Joe Biden's links to China'.

You've seen the Republicans doing this again and again, and many have fallen for it. Unfortunately for them, this time they didn't fall for it enough for Trump to win.

www.wired.com/2017/02/dont-believe-lies-just-people-repeat/
"Want to Make a Lie Seem True? Say It Again. And Again. And Again
But the facts don't actually matter: People repeat them so often that you believe them. Welcome to the “illusory truth effect,” a glitch in the human psyche that equates repetition with truth. Marketers and politicians are masters of manipulating this particular cognitive bias---which perhaps you have become more familiar with lately."

www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth
How liars create the ‘illusion of truth’

"Repetition makes a fact seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. Understanding this effect can help you avoid falling for propaganda, says psychologist Tom Stafford."

before the 12am pause there was effectively a red wave with the Republicans winning house seats and only losing 1 senate seat.

That was only because in-person votes were counted first and Trump voters were more likely to turn up in person as their great leader had convinced them Covid was nothing to worry about. Vastly more Democrats voted by mail because of the pandemic and mail-in ballots were counted after in-person ballots.

and before the 12am pause there was effectively a red wave with the Republicans winning house seats and only losing 1 senate seat.

Or, as it was described by the various pundits I follow (Sanders, Moore, et al) - well before the counting had even begun - the ‘red mirage’.

Since in person votes were counted before mail-in votes. And everyone with a clue knew how it would play out, due to Trump urging his supporters to doubt mail-in voting, and do it in person.

As all votes were progressively counted, the victor emerged.

If Americans genuinely think there has been widespread voter fraud, then that means your great country is not even capable of the most basic aspects of democracy.

It makes America appear incompetent, incapable, inept, laughable, or in layman’s terms - unable to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

Is that really how you want the entire world to see you?

This is not about Republicans or Democrats, it's completely non partisan. If voting machines made by a company are vulnerable to being hacked and changing votes from one candidate it violates a person's constitutional right to vote. For example the "glitch" in Michigan which gave 6000 votes from Trump to Biden. The story was changed to human error after it was realised that the same company supplied machines to 28 states. Regardless there are millions of voters from both parties who saw the 4am drop with 99% of votes for Biden. The machines need to be forensically examined and the ballots audited, otherwise it will be 4 years of the election was stolen.
amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/us-voting-machine-private-companies-voter-registration?__twitter_impression=true

Ah well, it seems my inkling was luckily right. Apparently Melania is counting the hours until she can divorce him.

Keep repeating the lies BelleHathor.

Keep sowing those seeds of doubt.

Why do I find myself muttering "hanging chads"?

Just think: if one of the candidates had not had a brother as governor of the state where those happened, we might not have had Bush as President in September 2001, and Gore-as-President might well not have declared war on one country which most definitely did NOT destroy the Twin Towers (but did have a lot of oil his friends wanted to get their grubby paws on), which in turn might well have meant the Middle East not being the clusterfuck it is today.

(posted too soon by accident)

Speaking of election fraud and stolen elections as we were...

Count all the votes is a good motto if a country is going to claim (inaccurately) to have a one-person-one-vote democracy.

Well, experts are saying that Trump's case is frivolous and doesn't seem to have much credibility.

This is a man who was reportedly screaming and shouting at everyone around him as it became increasingly obvious that Biden was going to win and telling them that they must do something to make it all different.

He cannot and will not lose, or concede. He will never admit defeat. He has divided Americans like never before and it's awful to see that playing out now more than ever.

What's there to doubt Holdmylobster? Biden won fair and square didn't he. The vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines has not been called into question for decades? Like this testimony from Clinton Eugene Curtis who wrote vote rigging software in 2000 or Texas refusing to buy the machines in question in Michigan.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

[quote BelleHathor]This is not about Republicans or Democrats, it's completely non partisan. If voting machines made by a company are vulnerable to being hacked and changing votes from one candidate it violates a person's constitutional right to vote. For example the "glitch" in Michigan which gave 6000 votes from Trump to Biden. The story was changed to human error after it was realised that the same company supplied machines to 28 states. Regardless there are millions of voters from both parties who saw the 4am drop with 99% of votes for Biden. The machines need to be forensically examined and the ballots audited, otherwise it will be 4 years of the election was stolen.
amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/us-voting-machine-private-companies-voter-registration?__twitter_impression=true[/quote]
Well even if it was stolen (which I doubt) the Republicans can consider it payback for 2000.

Funny how if the Republics win the machines are infallible, but if they lose the machines are faulty.

I thought the same thing @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime 🤣🤣

Still repeating the lies BelleHathor. Sowing those seeds.

Not being able to decide whether to shout "stop the count" or to shout "count them all". It's a flawed mentality thing, I suspect.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Funny how if the Republics win the machines are infallible, but if they lose the machines are faulty.

Yep.

And if Biden was going to rig it might he not have done so in states that called for Trump that declared much earlier on?

Also if there were no observers how can the republicans have seen what was going on in the first place?

They are full of shit.