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To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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Anon778833 · 23/10/2020 20:27

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

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Orkneys · 03/11/2020 03:48

@eaglejulesk

I really hope Trump gets another term. Biden is not mentally capable of running the country. He’s made so many gaffes with his speeches recently, it’s beyond embarrassing.

This has almost rendered me speechless. I'm not sure whether to laugh, or to be sad that someone can be so clueless.

Everyone has a right to a opinion just because it isn't the same as yours doesn't give you the right to belittle them!
eaglejulesk · 03/11/2020 05:50

Everyone has a right to a opinion just because it isn't the same as yours doesn't give you the right to belittle them!

Was the poster not belittling Joe Biden? It's not one rule for me and another for them.

user1471565182 · 03/11/2020 06:19

ohh the old 'you hate me because I have an opinion' balls right wingers are so fond of. Nope, people just find your opinion lacking in credibility and without evidence.

Sara2000 · 03/11/2020 06:22

What, like Trump suggesting bleach and light could kill coronavirus . Neither of these old men should be running America.

SunnyDayatSiestaBeech · 03/11/2020 08:17

I want Biden to win. I am concerned like others though that there are a lot of silent Trump supporters.

Just like during the last UK election - watching the amount of people on Twitter who were completely blindsided by the Tory landslide.

The left in all nations seems to be far move vocal. They are not in the least embarrassed to share their views because their views are seen largely as socially acceptable.

There will be a lot of republicans in the US who will be embarrassed to publicly support Trump because of the backlash. They will quietly go along to the voting booth and vote for him - because they would rather any republican than a tax raising 'woke' democrat as leader.

These people don't enter online polls or share their views on twitter or facebook.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/11/2020 08:18

I worry about Biden but worry more about Trump and his crazy army of supporters who might well riot in the aftermath. He won’t go quietly.

I can’t believe it’s been 4 years...

SunnyDayatSiestaBeech · 03/11/2020 08:21

@ThatIsNotMyUsername I agree I think the most dangerous phase is the time between Trump losing and the handover of power next year. Not only riots, I think Trump will be vindictive during this period and god knows what he will do or incite.

Parker231 · 03/11/2020 08:22

Trump warns of 'violence in the streets' over mail-in ballot counting rules. One of his tweets has been removed as it could be perceived as encouraging violence. He isn’t just an idiot but dangerous!

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/11/2020 08:30

I heard an interview on R4 yesterday and a trump supporting ‘woman in the street’ seemed to imply that there was military standing by to take over - she sounded bonkers and as if she believed the SAS (US equivalent) were waiting to bound in Hollywood style and save America.

I suspect she had been watching War of the Worlds or Independence Day. But it was scary to hear.

eaglejulesk · 03/11/2020 08:42

I saw a Trump supporting 'woman in the street' telling the reporter that he had been sent to them by God. Equally scary to hear.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/11/2020 08:50

I really don’t know how these god-fearing folk... oh hang on, weren’t there biblical plagues sent by god?

BelleHathor · 03/11/2020 08:51

I suspect she had been watching War of the Worlds or Independence Day. But it was scary to hear.
3600 National Guard have been deployed/are standing by in 16 states right now, in case of civil unrest.
www.militarytimes.com/news/election-2020/2020/11/02/national-guard-election-day-update-more-than-3000-troops-active-in-14-states/

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/11/2020 08:52

The say she said it - it was almost wink-wink we have black op military secretly on standby - very sinister (and bonkers).

Parker231 · 03/11/2020 09:11

We’ve been rewatching The West Wing - I’m voting for Martin Sheen as President!

Pugdogmom · 03/11/2020 10:03

I am more anti Trump than pro Biden. Slightly disappointed in the caliber of the Candidates that the Democrats are putting up. So its lesser of 2 evils for me, so hope Biden wins.
Sadly, I think Trump will be in for a 2nd term and really hope I am wrong!

colouringindoors · 03/11/2020 11:41

Struggling to concentrate on anything today!

Viviennemary · 03/11/2020 11:52

Biden just looks weak. It isn't good.

Parker231 · 03/11/2020 11:58

I don’t think Biden looks weak. He just looks quieter and sensible compared to the angry rants from Trump.

Dustysilkflowers · 03/11/2020 12:07

Biden looks like an tired elderly man.

I can’t believe he is the best they could come up with.

Trump will win again.

BelleHathor · 03/11/2020 13:39

The Spectator TV has had some quite good shows on the US Election. This week they had Patrick Basham a pollster from the Democracy Institute (the only pollster to predict Brexit and Trump 2016). He has Trump winning a lot of the swing states due to the shy vote. Only 22% of Trumps voters are comfortable telling their friends and family due to fear of repercussions (Violence, being doxxed, losing jobs etc) if these people come out today Trump wins. He has also seen a growth in African Americans and Hispanic (especially males) support for Trump.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=AiQHB4PqCBE

To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?
user1471565182 · 03/11/2020 13:43

Why are so many people rewriting history about the UK election? everybody knew the tories were likely to win comfortably. Same with the EU referendum- everybody knew it was likely to be very close.

HoldMyLobster · 03/11/2020 13:44

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/02/henry-olsen-2020-president-congress-election-predictions/?arc404=true

From the article...

Where my projection could go wrong

No forecast is without the possibility of error, and Trump fans certainly believe I will be wrong. They place their hopes in the idea that the polls are wrong, as they believe the polls were in 2016, and that there are millions of “shy Trump voters” who either lie to pollsters or aren’t answering surveys at all.

We can’t discount that possibility entirely, especially after polls in countries such as Australia and Britain proved to be massively off in recent elections. Nonetheless, we are not likely to see a large enough polling error to rescue Trump’s reelection.

Polling error tends to occur in one of two circumstances: when undecided voters break late in one direction, and when certain demographics are underrepresented in the polling samples. U.S. pollsters certainly underrepresented Whites without a college degree in their 2016 samples, which is why some polls were off. Regional difficulties in contacting certain voter groups lead to consistent and predictable errors, as the Cook Political Report’s Dave Wasserman recently showed. But that is not usually the cause of significant and consequential national polling errors.

The late break of undecided and third-party voters toward Trump, however, was the bigger reason Trump surprised the pundit class in 2016. Most, but not all, analysts failed to account for this possibility. This, more than any other concern, is the biggest reason for significant polling errors on the rare occasions they occur. There’s evidence that a similar factor was at play in the 2019 Australian and 2015 and 2017 British elections, as undecided voters moved sharply in one direction on the eve of the vote.

This is unlikely to be a factor on Tuesday because there are almost no undecided votes left to shift. Polls have shown for months that most voters have decided whom to support and are not persuadable. Those that are persuadable still lean heavily in one direction or another. That’s the major reason the polls have been so stable all year and why they have been uniformly against Trump. Even if every single undecided voter unexpectedly backed Trump, he would still be outside the range of victory in nearly every national poll.

That means that for Trump to win, millions of people who have rarely, if ever, voted would need to turn out and back him. These people are so politically disconnected they likely would not answer polls, and many would never have registered to vote before. That’s what GOP-leaning polling firms such as the Trafalgar Group and Susquehanna contend they have uncovered, which leads them to produce polls that show Trump much closer nationally and in swing states than the more conventional polling averages. There’s some evidence in registration data that this might happen, but we can’t know for sure whether they are correct until Election Day.

user1471565182 · 03/11/2020 13:46

Yeah i've heard a lot of trump cultists going on about 'we have the military'- they dont- military members and especially top brass in the US statistically support Biden far more.

HoldMyLobster · 03/11/2020 13:47

BTW this morning DH spoke to one of his Florida-based colleagues - he's voted Republican in the last 8 presidential elections.

He's sitting this one out.

Parker231 · 03/11/2020 13:56

Read some articles this morning about Trump threatening to declare himself the victor early on before all the votes have been counted. Apparently the TV channels have discussed this and would have to cover any announcement as it is ‘news’ but they would put on screen a disclaimer that the results are not final at this stage.

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