To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

The UK has its economic and political problems but they are nothing compared to the US. Trump has gone out of his way to alienate other countries. He’s destroyed environmental protection in the US and landed the country with huge debt which future generations won’t thank him for.

The stock market has tanked. 401ks will have lost a whole lot of value this year

Please stop talking about things you have no clue about. Yes, it did take a huge dive in March due to COVID but has more than recovered.

Why do you feel the need to dismiss me as a Russian bot just because I say things you don’t like? It doesn’t reflect well on you.

Merchant

Oh, I’m not saying she is right on that. Just explaining her reasoning, such as it is.

She’s probably not voted for any Democrat since Clinton (even then .... I should ask her about that one)

Trump was quite happy to encourage the Proud Boys. But then they’re the good kind of violent thugs, I guess

I’ve never seen any indication that he encouraged those guys at all. They shouldn’t be out there causing trouble either.

@HelloToMyKitty

Trump was quite happy to encourage the Proud Boys. But then they’re the good kind of violent thugs, I guess

I’ve never seen any indication that he encouraged those guys at all. They shouldn’t be out there causing trouble either.

Didn’t he tell them to stand by?

Biden is NOT remotely left wing. Even Obama was centre right. The only actual left option was Sanders, but the real left has never has never and likely will never have a chance in the USA.

I really hope for the sake of the world Biden gets in but I have a terrible feeling that won't happen

only people benefiting from his policies are businesses and the wealthy

And these are all the people, including their employees who'll vote him back in.

Phil

Not sure how that is supposed to be encouragement?

Actually it's done quite well over the Trump presidency and has recovered from its losses in March.

When did that upward line start? Way back before Trump was president. If he did nothing at all, that line would always have continued up the way.

But, he did stuff and see how it became far more volatile after 2018? Some big dips, all coinciding with announcements on things like trade deals and tariffs etc. If the line had continued in the trajectory it was in when he took office, it would have been in better shape than it was when corona hit.

The market rose despite him not because of him.

Michael Moore thinks theres a good chance Trump will be re elected.

I really hope he's wrong

Not sure how that is supposed to be encouragement?

The certainly thought it was, given their response to it. They tweeted “standing by, Sir” and have launched merch with the slogan which they had turned into a new logo.

If you genuinely don’t think it was encouraging them, you don’t understand dog whistle, either that or you are wilfully obtuse.

I expect you also believe there are”good people on both sides”?

Even if you want to assert not all trump supporters are white supremacists, you can not deny all white supremacists are trump supporters. And not just in a “we vote for him” way, but they see him as their saviour, their divine leader, he has buoyed them to the point they are out and loud and proud. Regardless of whether he condemns them using weasel words, his actions, his policies, his words make them think he is one of them in a way not seen with any other president. That alone should give you pause, if you are not a white supremacist.

When did that upward line start? Way back before Trump was president. If he did nothing at all, that line would always have continued up the way

It was actually more volatile under Obama iirc. But both presidents had great stock market returns 😁 during their tenure so I don’t complain about Obama either (at least, when it comes to returns).

If the line had continued in the trajectory it was in when he took office, it would have been in better shape than it was when corona hit

Maybe, maybe not. The stock market is, as you know, not such a predictable beast. But perception is everything, and you’ll likely want to reward the person who is appearing to make your portfolio grow.

The market rose despite him not because of him

You definitely can’t conclude this, though. I seem to remember Paul Krugman frantically concluding there would be a severe recession under Trump

economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2016/11/paul-krugman-the-economic-fallout.html

😂😅

I hope no one listened to him and took their money out. They would have lost a shit-ton of money!!!!

Michael Moore thinks theres a good chance Trump will be re elected.

Well, he’s still a bit gloaty after his lucky call last time. He knows nothing more than the rest of us.

Michael Moore thinks theres a good chance Trump will be re elected

He really does understand the Rust Belt mindset more than most other prominent ‘talking heads’

I have family in a mid west swing state. One of them is running for the Democrats. She says the number of Trump signs and bumper stickers is sickening.

Labour supporting pal emigrated to a southern state - he's outraged at the bad press Trump gets here. He votes Republican now.

Scary.

I am just consoling myself that he can only 'win' twice. Unless he declares martial law and names himself the Emperor of 'the free world' (bleugh)

The certainly thought it was, given their response to it. They tweeted “standing by, Sir” and have launched merch with the slogan which they had turned into a new logo

Bunch of grifters then. Who cares?

If you genuinely don’t think it was encouraging them, you don’t understand dog whistle, either that or you are wilfully obtuse

And Richard Spenser endorses Joe Biden. Obviously nothing can be done about it.

I expect you also believe there are”good people on both sides”?

I expect you know this is a shameful misquote and still try to fool people with this line.

Even if you want to assert not all trump supporters are white supremacists, you can not deny all white supremacists are trump supporters

Lol, I already mentioned Richard Spenser. And those men part of the Michigan gov. kidnapping plot who recorded anti-Trump rants.

Also, it seems you think the Proud Boys are white supremacists. Of course, what complicates things is a black man is the head of the Proud Boys (Enrique Tarrio). Or that a white BLM member punched a black Proud Boy (don’t recall the name but happened in San Fran) in the mouth and knocked his teeth out.

I suppose you think they are black white supremacists or something 😂😂

To be clear, I don’t think either group should be out on the streets. Most of us are sick of these groups (Proud Boys, BLM, Antifa) and wish they would just all fuck right off and leave is in peace.

Or that a white BLM member punched a black Proud Boy (don’t recall the name but happened in San Fran) in the mouth and knocked his teeth out.
His name was Philip Anderson. Those terrible Black white Supremacists raised $35,000.00 dollars to pay for treatment before Gofundme closed it. Twitter banned Phil (guess it doesn't fit the narrative)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=R9dSOGe0EnY

Just because they have a token black member doesn’t mean they’re not racist. Far right groups here have Jewish and Hindu supporters.

Bunch of grifters then. Who cares?
He does. And the US should.

I expect you know this is a shameful misquote and still try to fool people with this line.

Apologies, he actually said "you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." when talking about a white supremacist group of protesters.

And Richard Spenser endorses Joe Biden. Obviously nothing can be done about it.
Ahh, that old chestnut. Yes, I dare say there are individuals who vote democrat who have dodgy views. This is not that. This is an entire group of individuals who see the President as leading and furthering their cause with his words, his policies his actions. If you can't see how that is different, you aren't paying proper attention.

Also, it seems you think the Proud Boys are white supremacists. Of course, what complicates things is a black man is the head of the Proud Boys (Enrique Tarrio). Or that a white BLM member punched a black Proud Boy (don’t recall the name but happened in San Fran) in the mouth and knocked his teeth out.
Sure, because there are large numbers of black people who are white supremacists. One swallow does not a summer make. And that poor person who had their teeth knocked out. What about the 17 year old Trump supporter who believed he had been called to arms and shot protesters? And was hailed as a hero by Fox news et al?

And those men part of the Michigan gov. kidnapping plot who recorded anti-Trump rants.
One. One of them posted one rant. One of the 14. And four had attended Trump rallies, and one had attended a BLM protest. The whole group had a range of political leanings because they are an "anti government" organisation. The kidnapping plot wasn't a white supremacist thing. Which is why I made no mention of it. Do you read anything other than 1 line tweets or Fox chirons?

Most of us are sick of these groups (Proud Boys, BLM, Antifa)

Anyone who puts BLM in the same category as PB needs to have a word with themselves.

When did that upward line start? Way back before Trump was president. If he did nothing at all, that line would always have continued up the way.

That's not how financial markets work. Stock prices are determined by supply and demand, which is driven by expectations for future earnings and macroeconomic conditions. They can and do change in an instant as aggregate demand changes. The stock market is in no way a perpetual motion machine.

www.disnat.com/en/learning/trading-basics/stock-basics/what-causes-stock-prices-to-change

I’m bowing out before I say something regrettable.

It was actually more volatile under Obama iirc. But both presidents had great stock market returns 😁 during their tenure so I don’t complain about Obama either (at least, when it comes to returns).
The stock market did way better under Obama in a point per point comparison. Coming out of a recession will always see more volatillity. But looking at the tail end, a more settled marked on an upward curve should have been easy to maintain, absent any economic crisis.

Maybe, maybe not. The stock market is, as you know, not such a predictable beast. But perception is everything, and you’ll likely want to reward the person who is appearing to make your portfolio grow
It isn't predictable, but I'm not talking about predictions. I'm talking about reviewing how the market behaved when policies were put in place and started to take effect. The market his reacted badly to his policies.

You definitely can’t conclude this, though. I seem to remember Paul Krugman frantically concluding there would be a severe recession under Trump

Was he wrong? Where are we now?

That's not how financial markets work. Stock prices are determined by supply and demand, which is driven by expectations for future earnings and macroeconomic conditions. They can and do change in an instant as aggregate demand changes. The stock market is in no way a perpetual motion machine.

That is exactly how financial markets work. Otherwise there wouldn't be the sheer number of analyses about market performance over the last 100 years. The market is a long term investment and should always be viewed through a long lense. You never make a financial decision based on what will happen tomorrow.

Have you never watched a trading floor in action? It's bloody fast and furious.

Trump was quite happy to encourage the Proud Boys. But then they’re the good kind of violent thugs, I guess

I'm no fan of Trump but I'm baffled by statements like this. Trump didn't mention the Proud Boys by name in the debate, Biden did. A quick google would also prove to anyone remotely interested in truth or accuracy that the Proud Boys stand for many things I would strongly disagree with and they may keep questionable friends but they are not white supremacists. A quick Google would also show Chris Wallace asking Trump exactly the same question in one of the 2016 debates and being given a full answer. Trump has denounced white supremacists many times over but it doesn't seem enough to satisfy the main stream media. There's also plenty of footage which evidences Biden's racism but that seems to get less air time. FWIW I suspect they're both a bit "unintentionally" racist in the way that only wealthy, powerful white men can be.