To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

[Anon778833]

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

YANBU to think that way, as Biden is ahead in the polls, but I'm afraid that Trump will somehow win.

Biden's not a great candidate, but Kamala Harris seems pretty switched on, so maybe if Biden gets elected KH will provide some energy and drive to the Whitehouse team. Does anyone think that KH might help win some democrat votes?

I think if KH has been the candidate then she might have made a difference, but everyone knows VP is just a sub-figurehead position.

(I’m not in the US though, just watched far too much West Wing, Designated Survivor etc )

I watched Obama yesterday he looked so exuberant speaks so eloquently maybe the Democrats didn’t have a candidate up to his standard he is a fantastic orator and genuine but surely someone who comes closer

Trump is looking very confident he is enjoying campaigning and he is looking full of energy this I think is he winning ticket against Biden

Let’s hope Trump tires himself out

Everything that I have read and seen points to a Trump victory. Fantastic!!

I don’t get the love and hero worship of Obama. In 2016 alone He dropped nearly 25000 bombs on Syria and Iraq and in that year alone he bombed 7 different countries.

He might be an eloquent speaker but he is responsible for over 7000 dead civilian Iraqi and 1300 civilian deaths in Syria.

A sobering read @Proudboomer

Surely there was a better candidate than Biden... in all of America

I do not like Obama either, think he got away with quite a lot but he was presentable and charismatic.

@proudboomer exactly!

There was coverage of him and Melania registering for postal votes, after he had opposed the idea of postal votes which he said would lead to fraud. He proved himself right, by voting in person. Vote early Vote often. If enough of his followers follow his example, he could win by more votes than there are people!

What troubles me is the anti abortion strength. Do both candidates and both deputies add up to four all of the same conviction?

I’m just astounded these two old men are the best American politics has to offer.

I think Trump will win but if he doesn't, he might not accept it anyway.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/3/21257133/trump-2020-election-meltdown-lawrence-douglas?fbclid=IwAR1n5epiZqMY2hb7UXWKNCmRhFCEQW3k48KFTqAHG4TjHckf2KqKjKwCet4

I'm starting to believe that Biden will win. Up till now I had a feeling that Trump would get a second term. However I do think it will be close and can go either way in the end

@BlueThistles

Surely there was a better candidate than Biden... in all of America

It is essential to have unlimited money, and determination to spend it on becoming president, so the supply of candidates in all of America was more limited than might appear.

The other limitations include being acceptable to one of the two parties, being born in possession of a penis and being born in america, so that rules out a lot more.

If Trump falls over, there's an old white man ready as his deputy. But if Biden falls over, there's a deputy who is even worse than Hilary. Not only brazenly appearing in public while guilty of being a woman, but this one has funny forrin mixtures of race and religion in her family. You can see why those poor Americans might be terrified. (sarcasm alert)

[quote KenDodd]I think Trump will win but if he doesn't, he might not accept it anyway.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/3/21257133/trump-2020-election-meltdown-lawrence-douglas?fbclid=IwAR1n5epiZqMY2hb7UXWKNCmRhFCEQW3k48KFTqAHG4TjHckf2KqKjKwCet4[/quote]
I'm clinging on to the fact that this was written back in early June, when it was thought that only 3 swing states would count, and that things have changed so significantly since then.

But it does show clearly how so many of the US's political structures can be subverted or ignored by a president with the support of his party.

@20mum

What troubles me is the anti abortion strength. Do both candidates and both deputies add up to four all of the same conviction?

Do you mean do all candidates have the same abortion positions?

They don't.

Donald Trump, though he used to support abortion rights when he was in New York, has come out firmly against abortion rights. His VP, Mike Pence, is deeply evangelical and wholly opposed to choice. What's particularly worrying are their judges--they've appointed over 200 to the federal bench, most of whom are deeply anti-choice, and their three Supreme Court picks are similarly situated. Unless Congress passes clear laws, I think it's likely that abortion rights in America will get deeply restrictive if not overturned.

Joe Biden is pro-choice, explicitly. From his website, "Biden will work to codify Roe v. Wade, and his Justice Department will do everything in its power to stop the rash of state laws that so blatantly violate Roe v. Wade."

In terms of larger women's rights, Biden also wants to finally pass the Equal Rights Amendment, wants to fund women-owned businesses and close the gender pay gap, and wants to pass a series of provisions to help end violence against women: joebiden.com/womens-agenda/

This isn't a new issue for Biden--he wrote the Violence Against Women Act, which provided funding for crisis centers, legal aid for those affected by domestic violence, created the rape shield law, and nationalized restraining orders.

The Violence Against Women Act was routinely renewed from 1994-2019. The Trump administration and the GOP-led Senate refused to renew it, so it's lapsed now.

@'nancydrawn thank you for the explanation. What about Kamala?

@Proudboomer

I don’t get the love and hero worship of Obama. In 2016 alone He dropped nearly 25000 bombs on Syria and Iraq and in that year alone he bombed 7 different countries.

He might be an eloquent speaker but he is responsible for over 7000 dead civilian Iraqi and 1300 civilian deaths in Syria.

He totally betrayed the American labour movement as well.

People wonder why workers voted for Trump? Because they knew they'd get a big fat zero from the Democrats, so they might as well risk it.

@20mum

@'nancydrawn thank you for the explanation. What about Kamala?

Oh, Kamala's totally pro-choice. She has a 100% score from NARAL and has for the past 3 years.

I think Trump will get back in sadly.
Even if he doesn't win the votes he will declare and take the presidency that way.

I think he really f——d up when he tested positive and made it sound like it was just a cold when hundreds of thousands of people have died from the Virus .
I’m not into politics but come on he acted like a Fool , Idiot .

Mary Trump: He’s ignored the severity of the pandemic all year because the idea of illness as weakness is so deeply ingrained in my family, that even an association with it is unacceptable, and that’s why now we’ve got 210,000 Americans dead. But now his statement – you can beat it, don’t be afraid of it – is going to result in more people becoming sick, and many of those will die. Even before he said that, I believed he was engaging in mass murder, but that sealed it for me. Anybody who’s capable of putting hundreds of millions of people at risk to avoid looking bad doesn’t care about you.

@Proudboomer

I don’t get the love and hero worship of Obama. In 2016 alone He dropped nearly 25000 bombs on Syria and Iraq and in that year alone he bombed 7 different countries.

He might be an eloquent speaker but he is responsible for over 7000 dead civilian Iraqi and 1300 civilian deaths in Syria.

A lot of people in the left would agree. I think a lot of it was because he felt like a relief from Bush.

I’m surprised to see Trumpers here but I shouldn’t be.

Trump is pandering to fundies. I bet he’s paid for loads of abortions.