To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

give us another class act like Jimmy Carter

From all I’ve heard, Jimmy Carter was a better ex-president than he ever was president. I think he’s a national treasure and am very happy he’s still around!

Obama had a massive drone strike program that killed thousands of innocents. Also ordered the killing of US citizens without due process. So I would absolutely put him in with our other ex-presidents.

He was also dubbed the deporter-in-chief (deported way more people than Trump ever did) but personally I was happy with this aspect of the Obama administration. Don’t know why Trump can’t get this one right, it was one of his campaign promises in 2016 🙄

Leaannb
As I have said, I don't know that much about them. I figured someone would be along to point out their failings and flaws. But I do think it is ludicrous to claim that a shallow person with zero empathy for the people in his charge, who encourages divisions and disharmony, and who has deliberately lied throughout this pandemic, encouraging reckless behaviour in those who trust him, leading to mass death, is a typical president.

Or that being a narcissist, or a sociopath is a necessary presidential trait.

Fuck Trump.

But I do think it is ludicrous to claim that a shallow person with zero empathy for the people in his charge, who encourages divisions and disharmony, and who has deliberately lied throughout this pandemic, encouraging reckless behaviour in those who trust him, leading to mass death, is a typical president.

in your opinion...

which is a view not shared by the people who vote for him. 🌺

Thanks @PathThreeTwoOne

I wish a reputable news source would just print an objective report of the facts of this case.

I really, really hope he won't, but I'm not betting on it. Like the UK's 'shy tories' I suspect there are quite a lot of 'shy Republicans' who don't much like Trump, but will always vote Republican even if they don't admit it when asked.

I agree with this. It makes me sad but I think he'll get another term. I have zero faith in politics any more...

Im not convinced Politics/Leadership contests/Elections have ever truly been above board. 🤔

Me neither but the shocking and corrupt state of almost everyone involved is hitting a new low, imo.

Maybe it's just that the world and technology are allowing new lows of corruption and malevolence...

Maybe it's just that the world and technology are allowing new lows of corruption and malevolence...

Yes Social Dilemma opened my eyes 🌺

@NonCisWoman

Thanks *@PathThreeTwoOne*

I wish a reputable news source would just print an objective report of the facts of this case.

Well, the Wall Street Journal just published an article about finding no veracity in the claims that Joe Biden was at all involved in China: www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-bidens-ex-business-partner-alleges-father-knew-about-venture-11603421247

The WSJ is as right-wing as you get in a non-tabloid American paper.

And yet, a columnist with the WSJ asserted that Joe Biden was involved in China. So no unified account from the WSJ. Make of that what you will:

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-biden-family-legacy-11603409528

Yes, I posted the second article, from the WSJ's news division, which came out after that opinion piece. It was seen as a direct riposte of the editorial and a sign that the WSJ's news division, which is filled with serious reporters, was pushing back against the opinion-writer's less researched column.

YABU, I’m afraid. He’ll win somehow.

Like most American newspapers, there's a serious firewall between the news division and the opinion/editorial division at the WSJ, largely so the news division can write more objectively and not be seen as having been influenced by the more subjective opinion pages. Same thing is true at every major paper.

@Nancydrawn

Yes, I posted the second article, from the WSJ's news division, which came out after that opinion piece. It was seen as a direct riposte of the editorial and a sign that the WSJ's news division, which is filled with serious reporters, was pushing back against the opinion-writer's less researched column.

The news article ignores the context of the ‘Big Guy’ mentioned in the emails which which was confirmed by Bobulinski as being Joe Biden. There’s some omission going on there.

You talk to some Americans who refer to the US as being the greatest country in the world and then you look at Trump and think you must be joking!

Like most American newspapers, there's a serious firewall between the news division and the opinion/editorial division at the WSJ, largely so the news division can write more objectively and not be seen as having been influenced by the more subjective opinion pages

That’s not really what was happening at the NYT. They just didn’t approve of the diversity of voices in the Op-Ed section. They claimed there was fact-checking issues with the Tom Cotton essay but that was simply not true.

As for the WSJ, while it was true that Joe Biden wasn’t named in the emails as such, it’s been confirmed by a business partner that he was the ‘Big Guy’ referred to in the emails. Why didn’t the WSJ news piece even reference that?

No doubt the Bidens were being careful after Podesta’s emails leaked in 2016 (although not cautious enough to actually retrieve the laptop ...), but some of that background context has been fleshed out already and kind of ignored here

You talk to some Americans who refer to the US as being the greatest country in the world and then you look at Trump and think you must be joking!

Russia has Putin
UK has Boris
North Korea has Kimmy

If I was American I could not choose between the two of them.

Trump - for obvious reasons

Biden - maybe not so obvious, take a look at this link: thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499065-lies-damned-lies-and-the-truth-about-joe-biden

For those who don't want to click - this is just one excerpt:

Biden’s 1987 campaign foundered also because he was caught lifting passages of a speech given by Neil Kinnock. Biden echoed (falsely) the British Labor leader’s history that he was the first "in a thousand generations" to graduate from college and repeated virtually verbatim the same story about his wife, just as Kinnock had.

More shocking, Biden claimed: “My ancestors…worked in the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours,’’ even though no one in Biden’s family tree ever worked underground. That was Kinnock’s family.

It wasn’t the first time; Biden had also been caught plagiarizing during law school. He “borrowed” an entire five pages from a published law review article without attribution and had to beg not to be expelled.

There have also been accusation of sexual assault. What possessed the Democrats to have this man as their candidate?

It looks like even Fox News has realised they're on a hiding to nothing with the Hunter Biden story.

"Ex-Hunter Biden associate's records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions

Tony Bobulinski had claimed the former VP was involved in discussions about his son's dealings overseas"

www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

They keep chucking allegedly 'unanswered questions' out there in the hopes that something will stick, but then can't provide any actual evidence, even when they get hold of what they hope will be supporting emails full of incriminating information but turn out to be duds.

At this point the main argument by the right wing press seems to be that in the absence of evidence proving them, the left-wing press should still report on rumours even when they come from dodgy sources that are known to have links to Russian election misinformation campaigns.

Trump will absolutely win this election. The Cult of the Personality is such that the Democrats basically handed Trump the election when they nominated another pro-establishment, career politician who really doesn't inspire much of anything in the voters. The best that can be said about Biden is that he's not Trump and I don't think that wins an election. If they had nominated Biden instead of Clinton in 2016 I think he may have had a chance but not now, for this election the Democrats needed to nominate a personality and they just didn't. I think the American people are in for another rough four years.

Ex-Hunter Biden associate's records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions

As mentioned earlier, they aren’t dumb enough to put Joe Biden on the business plan. But the texts (ignored in the article you linked) give a fuller context to who the ‘big guy’ was and that Hunter took care of Joe’s cut.

At this point the main argument by the right wing press seems to be that in the absence of evidence proving them, the left-wing press should still report on rumours even when they come from dodgy sources that are known to have links to Russian election misinformation campaign

Gee, where was this judiciousness when it came to the totally fake Steel dossier that literally was Russian disinfo? Double standard here.

Matt Taibbi explains this journalistic double standard beautifully on his website and I recommend anyone interested in American politics read it: taibbi.substack.com/p/with-the-hunter-biden-expose-suppression-136

Also? Fox News (the news side, not the opinion side 😂) is pretty full of Never Trumpers who are still sour that Trump essentially hijacked their party.

I think Biden will win the popular vote (just) but Trump will win the election :( I mean, it is 2020 after all.

But I think they would have needed a stronger candidate that Biden to stand a chance of counteracting Trumps gaslighting.

I've a terrible feeling that he's going to win again.

One thing for sure when it is all over I am going to miss the remix videos on YouTube

It sounds like Trump and Biden are as useless as each other. Are they the best the US could come up with?