People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

I think I do, and it is not a good thing at all. Even after the initial shock, queues at the border/Channel Tunnel, panic buying etc has died down.

I don’t if someone already posted this article, but I found it interesting regarding food shortages.

www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit/tesco-chairman-warns-of-short-term-food-shortages-after-brexit/649458.article#.X408LpmsuGw.twitter

If we all agree it will be like North Korea in the 1990s, will people stop posting new threads about it, or does it have to be repeated at least once a day?

I don’t if someone already posted this article,
Yes they have.

Those of you saying nobody likes you - it's you government we hate. And your media who claim Irish sports people and celebrities as british. And the little englanders with the empire focused, undeserved superiority complex.

Most of you, on an individual level, are fine and we'll take you at face value.

@RunBackwards

By my calculations 40 large swedes is about 12000 calories, so that'll keep an active adult going for almost a week

There's always a silver lining.

I don't think it will be as warm as North Korea in the 1990's @DynamoKev

Why not mention Switzerland, South Korea and Japan instead

None of these are new deals - they replicate the current deals and don't replace trade lost by leaving the EU. The Japan deal has been agreed in principle, but has yet to be signed and passed by the Japanese parliament. As your own link explains, these deals are 'expected' to come into operation - but since the UK now seems to consider that a deal made today to be something that can be broken tomorrow, some might not.

We won't be losing 'access' though

In the event of a No Deal Brexit (the subject of this thread) then the UK loses free access. For the impact of that on the trade in goods, see my earlier post about bolts. The loss of passporting rights for services does mean that the UK loses access to the EU for the supply of services, which would represent a significant loss in revenue, profit, tax, and employment.

"Stuart Ashworth [Quality Meat Scotland director of economic services] argued the introduction of export tariffs need not keep farmers awake at night."

As the article states, red meat exports to the EU only accounted for 11% of revenue (i.e. 89% is sold domestically). A loss of the EU market would be compensated for by UK consumers buying locally due to shortages of imported meat. Good news of course.

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/swede-recipes

You are welcome

A German company sells us... Baked Beans and will go out of business if we just stop buying

The baked beans sold in the UK are mostly produced in a gigantic factory in Wigan, owned by American food giants Heinz.

Are there people on MN who think that think that Heinz is a German company?

"I for one welcome our new Galactic Overlords."

So consider some French company that buys ..bolts from us. They still need the bolts and their government wants them to get them so that they don't go under.

they have spent the time since July 2016 sourcing bolts from places where they don't have extra paperwork, probably.

Exactly this. I used to buy and import into my EU country of residence specialist component from a small U.K. firm, they weren’t the cheapest but had short lead times and were reliable. In 2019 I lost all hope of a sensible decision on the part of the U.K. govt, so began to look elsewhere for an alternative supplier, who could guarantee supplies with a short turnaround time. I now buy a similar item from a Czech supplier, the price isn’t a lot cheaper but the turnaround time is even shorter and they are ultra reliable too. I couldn’t risk my clients having disrupted supplies from the U.K.

Ditto local companies who used to export to the U.K., all the ones I know have been busy these last 4 years expanding other markets so the U.K. percentage of revenue is greatly diminished, therefore the impact of its loss will be limited.

Also some companies trade in luxury goods for which there will be demand even with a 20% tariff slapped on top. The kind of person who spends 3k on a dress or 200k on a car is not going to be too fussed with a small price hike.

To sum up, EU suppliers and purchasers have not been sitting around waiting for the bumbling idiots in WM to stop sabre rattling and come to a sensible agreement. The only ones losing out here are U.K. based companies, sadly for those who did not vote for this shitshow.

There you go - heard this on the car radio;

"Brexit trade talks back on after EU says both sides must compromise. Number 10 says Mr Barnier's speech represents a "fundamental" shift in approach from Brussels."

news.sky.com/story/brexit-trade-talks-with-eu-to-resume-later-this-week-downing-street-says-12110389

@Girlsblouse17

I think the sad thing I've realised is that the UK has no friends in the world

The UK doesn't have a lot of friends in the UK!

To be fair Clavinova the EU have been trying to help the UK find a compromise both sides can work with for the last 4 years , hardly a 'fundamental' shift.

Ok I just scrolled back 14 pages and couldn’t see it..

@DynamoKev

I don’t if someone already posted this article,
Yes they have.

As C&Pinova very well knows
any fundamental shift by the EU at this stage is to move from treating the UK as a petty child
to a toddler having a tantrum

The UK has never yet offered a deal that met international law
and chooses to break the ones it has signed up to

why on EARTH would anybody waste breath on Johnson, Gove and Cummings now ?

@frumpety

To be fair Clavinova the EU have been trying to help the UK find a compromise both sides can work with for the last 4 years , hardly a 'fundamental' shift.

Of course the EU have been trying to find a compromise for us to take

M Barnier is now stating that the EU has to compromise as well. Which is the shift.

I'd like to see your sources for your wild predictions about the price of milk doubling I'd like to see the price of milk double

Derxa
I'd like to see your sources for your wild predictions about the price of milk doubling
I'd like to see the price of milk double

Unlikely if dirt cheap US and South American milk are allowed in after the Government pushed through the Agriculture bill

Of course the EU have been trying to find a compromise for us to take

@Asterion I take it you are more than happy with a no deal scenario ?

@frumpety

Of course the EU have been trying to find a compromise for us to take

@Asterion I take it you are more than happy with a no deal scenario ?

Not really, and I don't believe there will be No Deal.

Barnier has been trying to get the EU to compromise on various things, perhaps the various relevant countries will now listen to him.

Barnier has been trying to get the EU to compromise on various things, perhaps the various relevant countries will now listen to him.

No, Barnier’s remit is to listen to the 27.

Most are entirely bored with Brexit and have got their own shit to deal with.

I can tell you, the Brits were not missed during discussions for the recovery fund and many countries are seeing how much easier it is to move in without the Brit contingent whinging and opposing everything.

@ListeningQuietly

Derxa I'd like to see your sources for your wild predictions about the price of milk doubling I'd like to see the price of milk double

Unlikely if dirt cheap US and South American milk are allowed in after the Government pushed through the Agriculture bill

You're not really sad are you. Just more farmer bashing and patronising. I sent some lambs to market on Monday and the previous Monday. Very buoyant trade. Covid regulations destroyed our breed sale. As I keep saying, we farmers are a resilient lot. We'll get through it And no I didn't vote for fucking Brexit.

I wasn't giving my opinion. Barnier has been trying to get the fishing nations to compromise, also some other issues that I forget now.