People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

It's basically blackmail "You can leave but we won't cooperate with you even though that would be in everyone's best interest because.....". ????

For those of you who asking what the impact might be on food prices and supplies:

The British Retail Consortium (BRC) said the public should be aware that no deal will mean a hike in the prices of not just luxury goods but “ordinary household goods that every consumer has to buy and replenish”.
The BRC has calculated that beef, which is imported in huge quantities from the Republic of Ireland, will go up in price by 48%, with cheddar cheese, another staple imported from across the Irish Sea, expected to cost 57% more. Oranges from Spain will cost 12% more, while the price of cucumbers will rise by 16%.

Food and Drink Federation CEO Ian Wright: “The perils of a no-deal exit for GB food and drink manufacturing remain as real as ever."
“In the event of a no-deal Brexit, shoppers will, literally, pay a heavy price. Imported food and drink from the EU will face eye-watering tariffs averaging 18%, kick-starting price rises. At the same time, border delays and disruption will bring further costs which will not be subsumed by industry. A no-deal outcome is bad for food and drink businesses, bad for food security, and bad for every household in Great Britain.”

Tesco’s chairman John Allan has warned of short-term fresh food shortages for up to “a few months” after the Brexit transition period ends in January.

but the EU is causing more problems here by refusing a Canada like deal

The EU didn’t refuse a Canada style deal (bearing in mind that CETA doesn’t cover services). It was on the table years ago.

@MiddleClassMother

I get a lot of people think leaving the EU is a terrible idea (I'm not too keen on leaving myself), but the EU is causing more problems here by refusing a Canada like deal. If they simply agreed then the country would be in a much better position. Canada is supposedly one of the best countries to live in after all?

This is a wind up surely?

The EU is 'causing more problems' by not waving a magic and turning us all into Canadians?

[quote Clavinova]Extra tariff prices will be passed onto the consumer.

Not necessarily - certainly not 20%.
September 2019;

"Suppliers to J Sainsbury have been told by the supermarkets group that they must bear the brunt of European Union import tariffs if there is a no-deal Brexit."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sainsburys-tells-suppliers-to-cover-cost-of-no-deal-tariffs-8878cvrwh[/quote]
And of course if it becomes non-profitable to supply Sainsbury's the suppliers will just suck it up?

They will either increase the cost to reflect the additional costs or will stop supplying. They are not charities.

"We want to trade with the EU on the same terms, but they won't allow it. What we want is independance, but we can't have that AND have a trade deal."

Of course they won't allow it. That's the whole benefit of being part of that collaboration, having positive trade deals.
If we say we no longer want to be a part of that, we don't want to pay into it, then of course we won't be allowed to have any benefits of membership.

It's like tearing up your Vue card, not paying the cinema your monthly fees, and then wondering why they're being so unreasonable as not to let you in free any more.

@MiddleClassMother

I get a lot of people think leaving the EU is a terrible idea (I'm not too keen on leaving myself), but the EU is causing more problems here by refusing a Canada like deal. If they simply agreed then the country would be in a much better position. Canada is supposedly one of the best countries to live in after all?

Do you actually understand what a Canada like deal is, quite aside from the fact it was the UK who declined it, not the EU?

The UK red lines precluded a Canada style deal.

Four years ago, when someone strung a huge "leave" sign to a lamppost outside our living room window, I came downstairs and found my Italian wife in tears. I didn't really understand until then, how offensive Brexit is. It has made Britain a disgrace in Europe, a continent with whom we have achieved so much. The no deal, I expect will cost the UK people a great deal, for little benefit. It has already made life for British immigrants in Europe very complicated. We moved to Italy, and don't regret it for a second. Banking passports, the 90 day rule, pet passports, travel queues, green card insurance, tariffs on trade, will all affect the pocket and freedoms of Brits spending time here. Mostly though, I'm sad for Britain's image in Europe. Lots of people in Europe think the British are racist now. It's that simple, rightly or not. They don't understand why else we would punish ourselves.

"we'll have to rely on apples, potatoes, swede"

"TURNIPS, damn you!

TURNIPS!!! "

@SchadenfreudePersonified I'm sorry! I clean forgot turnips!

I take it all back. We're going to be fine. Food fit for royalty. Bring on No Deal!

No deal will cause massive hardship to leavers and remainers alike. BJ and the rest of his criminal syndicate need to own it and take responsibility. In reality, they will do anything to avoid taking the blame.

@amusedtodeath1

It's basically blackmail "You can leave but we won't cooperate with you even though that would be in everyone's best interest because.....". ????

I think you have that the wrong way round.

You can leave but we expect you to comply with the GFA as it impacts one of our member states.

You can leave but we expect some level of honesty and integrity in the negotiation process.

You can leave but you can't have the benefits of membership without the costs associated with them.

You can leave but would you ever make your bloody mind up as to how you actually want to leave while still complying with the GFA.

@Goosefoot

It occurred to me the other day, talking to my older farmer cousins, that part of the reason they were less perturbed by this sort of thing was that it didn't seem particularly worse than lots of bad periods they'd already been through, and they fully expected the country would go through again, because that's just how things are. Not that they think no deal is a great outcome, but they don't think it will mean the end of it all or anything like that. They expect to muddle through one way or another like they always have.

Anyway, I think that somewhat reflects the views of many people.

What a bland viewpoint, why don't you have the courage of your convictions?

@SchadenfreudePersonified

I don't think it'll be illegal to label BRITISH meat will it?

I'm afraid it will.

Do you have any official link for this?

I'd like to read more about it.

Thanks.

OchonAgusOchonO

I know you live in Ireland - I see that Lidl's Irish business said the same thing to UK suppliers last year - although I think they had a change of heart and were going to draw up new contracts. In reality, I expect the extra costs will be shared out between suppliers/wholesalers/retailers/customers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49389152

It's like tearing up your Vue card, not paying the cinema your monthly fees, and then wondering why they're being so unreasonable as not to let you in for free any more.

A bit like the EU wanting free access to our fishing waters then?

PhilSwagielka I'm glad to hear that you would rather Brexit did work out, but sadly some others would rather be right.

Leaving the EU may yet turn out to be a bad decision (there's no denying it was a risky move), but we make decisions all the time and we often don't know in advance how it will go.

This one has attracted a certain kind of zealot who wants to rain fire and brimstone down on the unbelievers. I have no problem with different opinions, but their fervour and hate gets tiresome.

I guess we'll have to apply to rejoin if it doesn't work out.

@Clavinova -

I know you live in Ireland

Yes, due to your AS stalking.

I see that Lidl's Irish business said the same thing to UK suppliers last year

Another squirrel from you .

So what if Lidl did the same? If it becomes unprofitable for UK suppliers they will either increase costs or stop supplying. The difference is, it will be easier for Irish companies to switch to an alternative EU supplier than for UK companies.

In reality, I expect the extra costs will be shared out between suppliers/wholesalers/retailers/customers.

Most probably. But suppliers will still need to decide whether it is profitable to absorb that cost. The tariffs are pretty hefty in some areas.

duffeldaisy No it's nothing like that. We are not trying to steal from the EU and we were never a customer. We were trading partners.

The EU has goods that it needs to sell. Goods that it is currently selling to us. It has needs that we are fulfilling.

So consider some French company that buys ..bolts from us. They still need the bolts and their government wants them to get them so that they don't go under.

A German company sells us... Baked Beans and will go out of business if we just stop buying.

So the EU needs to find a way this trade can carry on. They'd like it to be more in their favour than ours, but they have to find an acceptable compromise.

This is how trade works. The EU were not helping us because we were friends.

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO

I know you live in Ireland - I see that Lidl's Irish business said the same thing to UK suppliers last year - although I think they had a change of heart and were going to draw up new contracts. In reality, I expect the extra costs will be shared out between suppliers/wholesalers/retailers/customers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49389152

It's like tearing up your Vue card, not paying the cinema your monthly fees, and then wondering why they're being so unreasonable as not to let you in for free any more.

A bit like the EU wanting free access to our fishing waters then?

A bit like the EU wanting free access to our fishing waters then?

Not at all like that.

The EU wanting fishing access is more like buying lifetime use of a parking spot and expecting to be able to continue using the parking spot.

The UK sold the rights to EU members.

Lots of squirrels on this thread let loose by the usual suspects.

@bellinisurge

Lots of squirrels on this thread let loose by the usual suspects.

WTF does that mean?

OchonAgusOchonO
Yes, due to your AS stalking

I haven't got AS - you were stalking me - I was trying to shake you off. You've sent me nearly 20 @ Clavinova messages. Here you are again.

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO Yes, due to your AS stalking

I haven't got AS - you were stalking me - I was trying to shake you off. You've sent me nearly 20 @ Clavinova messages. Here you are again.

Nope. I merely tried to get a straight answer to a simple question. And failed.

You stated, on a previous thread, that you AS'd me.

@DynamoKev - WTF does that mean?

Certain posters, when anything that disagrees with their position on brexit, tories, BJ etc, is posted, throw in an irrelevant piece of information in an attempt to distract. Similar to pointing and yelling "look, there's a squirrel" to distract.

[quote OchonAgusOchonO]**@DynamoKev* - WTF does that mean?*

Certain posters, when anything that disagrees with their position on brexit, tories, BJ etc, is posted, throw in an irrelevant piece of information in an attempt to distract. Similar to pointing and yelling "look, there's a squirrel" to distract.[/quote]
Thanks, that makes sense now.