People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

right... because the people we currently buy from will be happy to burn their goods and those that buy from us will be happy to go without.

The EU is not a charity.

As for law enforcement I was an adult before the EU existed and we had police and courts and we even wore shoes. We are not a third world country that they rescued.

I almost wish it would all crash because I can imagine the joy on the faces of the remainers and it would be such a shame to disappoint them.

It's so weird to see Leave voters insisting everything is fine and this is what they voted for, when it so obviously is not.

Brexit has already cost us more than our entire contribution to the EU in the history of our membership.

People really need to learn about what makes a country powerful. Leveraging interests, ensuring rule of law and economic stability, forging alliances: that makes you strong and generates wealth.

Flouncing about, breaking laws you agreed to 9 months earlier, muntering on about WWII, celebrating blue passports - not the way to gain real power.

"do you really have so little faith that this country can support itself?"

Yes.
Have you seen the vegetables and fruit native to the UK, that grow easily in this climate? Without expensive imports, we'll have to rely on apples, potatoes, swede ( ), seasonal veg and fruit, and it's nowhere near enough at present levels to feed everyone here.

International agreements and cooperation are a good thing. They bring a much nicer standard of living to everyone, with a wider range of goods. That's been the case forever. Becoming more insular is a backwards move in every way.

@Clavinova

You were quoting from a US website in an effort to show how you thought US food labelling works.

Bit pointless then quoting from Aldi’s UK website? It’s got nothing to do with US food labelling.

"Our own farmers are one of the most worried groups. With the removal of EU standards, they're very concerned they can't compete against cheap imports from elsewhere, so how long will we have our own farms for?"

So... we'll be getting cheaper imports? I thought the claim was that we were going to pay so much extra for imports that we'd all starve?

This is a risky move, but some people if you throw $100 bills at them will shout "oh no! we're going to get paper cuts!"

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we'll have to rely on apples, potatoes, swede

TURNIPS, damn you!

TURNIPS!!!

[quote Youandmeareluckytobeus]**@SunscreenCentral

What No Deal means : in a nutshell

The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.
And this shows the intelligence level of remainers. What utter rubbish Maybe the remainers are the turnips?[/quote]
~but Brexiters are never rude about anyone, it's just those nasty Remoaners~

@LastTrainEast All but a handful of countries globally are now in trading blocs. The blocs formed because it makes economic sense to join together. There is no magic portal back to the 70s.

In the absence of trade deals or trade deals from being part of a bloc, we revert to WTO terms. Which isn't a deal, it's a basic, baseline framework which allows different countries to trade with each other. It's expensive and I believe, not too flexible. You can't offer a country a certain tariff without offering them all same tariff (most favoured nation). It's effectively placing economic sanctions... on ourselves! There's a reason most countries make trade deals or join trading blocs.

You only have to look at the government website to see the amount of procedures and paperwork you have to go through to import and export goods. More than before. Hence the huge lorry parks in Kent. To put lorries whilst they sort all this out because they can't have them queueing for miles at the border. Delays are going to cause supply chain issues, shortages and raise prices because of the additional time. It won't be 'frictionless' anymore. Choices will be limited and some companies may decide it's not worth their while to trade goods to the uk. Extra tariff prices will be passed onto the consumer. We can't and don't produce everything we need in the uk for everything we need. I think we'll have to get used to a less luxurious lifestyle. Yes we can trade with other countries, but if they're not in Europe, we'll pay more for transportation because of futher distances.

@LastTrainEast

right... because the people we currently buy from will be happy to burn their goods and those that buy from us will be happy to go without.

The EU is not a charity.

As for law enforcement I was an adult before the EU existed and we had police and courts and we even wore shoes. We are not a third world country that they rescued.

I almost wish it would all crash because I can imagine the joy on the faces of the remainers and it would be such a shame to disappoint them.

Hi. I voted Remain. I would rather Brexit did work out for us because I'm not actually happy about the prospect of food or meds shortages or businesses pulling out of the UK.

Btw no-one is saying that the UK was third world before we joined the EU, but times have changed a lot since the '70s, the world has changed. More new countries exist.

This is why I hate talking to Brexiters tbh, because you say stupid shit like this.

@raddledoldmisanthropist

I didn't think Johnson could possibly be a worse PM than May.

you were extremely naive then, it was obvious he would always have been an utter disaster.

Oh sure, but better than May is not a high bar. The poster who thinks we should all grow swedes would be better than TM.

I think Johnson expected to roll in and make a few very minor tweaks to deal May did and take all the glory. He crucified her deal to get the job but it was the best we were ever going to get and he knew that.

We will all go hungry for a while until we have to buy food from America.

Planes will fall out of the sky.

We'll need to sell our kidneys to the Chinese.

Putin will invade and send us all to the gulag.

Just re the meat labelling, in Canada, meat is as far as I’ve noticed labelled with its country of origin, and meat from Canada itself has clear labels on the packaging promoting that.

The idea that meat produced in the UK won’t be labelled as such is just ridiculous.

The idea that meat produced in the UK won’t be labelled as such is just ridiculous.

No more ridiculous than 'No one is talking of leaving the Single Market' and yet here we are discussing the likelihood of No Deal and its ramifications.

SabrinaThwaite
You were quoting from a US website in an effort to show how you thought US food labelling works.

In truth - I don't think any of us really understands.

I was questioning this post;
"I don't think it'll be illegal to label BRITISH meat will it?"
"I'm afraid it will."

With;

"How odd - if I lived in the US I can buy (for example); "Grass Fed Ground Beef Patties" - with labels such as, "Born, Pasture Raised and Harvested in the USA" - "no antibiotics or added hormones" - "never given animal by-products."

Bit pointless then quoting from Aldi’s UK website? It’s got nothing to do with US food labelling.

You were implying that people on low incomes would not be able to buy British meat which is clearly untrue;

"According to trade magazine The Grocer, Aldi is officially the cheapest supermarket…again"

"As part of Aldi’s commitment to championing Great British quality, many of our products are sourced from the UK. In fact, our entire core range of fresh meat and milk is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. We are the market leader in the amount of fresh produce we sell which is British."

@AlphaJura

In the absence of trade deals or trade deals from being part of a bloc, we revert to WTO terms. Which isn't a deal, it's a basic, baseline framework which allows different countries to trade with each other. It's expensive and I believe, not too flexible. You can't offer a country a certain tariff without offering them all same tariff (most favoured nation). It's effectively placing economic sanctions... on ourselves! There's a reason most countries make trade deals or join trading blocs.

You only have to look at the government website to see the amount of procedures and paperwork you have to go through to import and export goods. More than before. Hence the huge lorry parks in Kent. To put lorries whilst they sort all this out because they can't have them queueing for miles at the border. Delays are going to cause supply chain issues, shortages and raise prices because of the additional time. It won't be 'frictionless' anymore. Choices will be limited and some companies may decide it's not worth their while to trade goods to the uk. Extra tariff prices will be passed onto the consumer. We can't and don't produce everything we need in the uk for everything we need. I think we'll have to get used to a less luxurious lifestyle. Yes we can trade with other countries, but if they're not in Europe, we'll pay more for transportation because of futher distances.

Quite. Have you seen how much companies charge for shipping from the US? Plus the customs duty. I suspect buying from the EU will become equally unaffordable.

Why bother to quote what happens now? What we are talking about is what may well happen if there is a trade deal with the USA. Not that chlorinated chicken isn't safe to eat - it's just that we have worked to get better welfare standards, which produces better quality meat, and we are hell bent on throwing that away. Meanwhile you can bet your life that Parliament will make sure its restaurants source their meats from known UK farms, but hospitals, school meals and other institutions will have to buy the cheapest, which is unlikely to be from a nice little UK farm, with cows lowing in the fields and chickens clucking in the yard.

Extra tariff prices will be passed onto the consumer.

Not necessarily - certainly not 20%.
September 2019;

"Suppliers to J Sainsbury have been told by the supermarkets group that they must bear the brunt of European Union import tariffs if there is a no-deal Brexit."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sainsburys-tells-suppliers-to-cover-cost-of-no-deal-tariffs-8878cvrwh

But it is, do you really have so little faith that this country can support itself.

It’s not about faith. It’s about facts. And the facts are that the country cannot support itself.

@Clavinova

You were implying that people on low incomes would not be able to buy British meat which is clearly untrue;

I was doing no such thing.

I was countering your claims about the transparency of US food labelling and your selective choice of US supermarkets.

Also looks like we will have an abundance of fish, so that's good news.

How? As i understand it the rights to the fishing quotas were sold, mostly to Dutch and Spanish companies, as soon as it was permissable to do so. They don't revert to British ownership just because of Brexit. Am happy to hear credible evidence that the fishing issue has been sorted out though.

As for the peevish EU. I wonder who is being peevish when a WA was drafted and agreed that the UK would sign it as would the EU. The UK signed and now are saying they didn't know what they were signing and have no intention of sticking to it.
So the EU say - well what do you want to do and are exasperated but would still like to have an agreement but the EU are the peevish ones.

What the UK government owes everyone is honesty. If they want "no deal" they shouldn't have signed the WA. If they want the WA they shouldn't try to change the terms with months to go.

Frankly I'm glad i'm out of it, but my elderly mum isn't and it worries me.

@amusedtodeath1

And I didn't vote leave btw, I wish I had now after seeing how the EU have acted, not that anyone sees how peevish they have been about all this. Like how dare we have the audacity to want independence?

It's weird how any other country who wants independence from foreign control doesn't have to justify why, yet the UK does?

Oh, that old chestnut does keep cropping up- “I didn’t vote leave but I wish I had.” Yeah, sure you didn’t. Well, at least old chestnuts are something to eat.

I get a lot of people think leaving the EU is a terrible idea (I'm not too keen on leaving myself), but the EU is causing more problems here by refusing a Canada like deal. If they simply agreed then the country would be in a much better position. Canada is supposedly one of the best countries to live in after all?

But it's not just trade is it?

We want to trade with the EU on the same terms, but they won't allow it. What we want is independance, but we can't have that AND have a trade deal. This is what the EU have decided because for one thing it discourages other countries from leaving and for another because they want to punish us for leaving.