If No-Deal, BJ has a moral imperative to resign.

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Do they honestly think the public won’t notice the not-so subtle shift in terminology to “Australian-Style Deal?” Clearly, the latest Cummings brainwave.

No - it’s “No-Deal.” As in - nothing and you have failed. You can put whatever spin on it you like, it won’t wash.

I did laugh yesterday when MG was rambling on about this “Australian-style Deal” and Andrew Marr asked why “Australian” as opposed to a “Mongolian-Style Deal” or an “Afghan” one?

Basically, we are likely to be out in less favourable terms than Canada.

Surely, this has to be the end if this government?

Look, I don’t care what I technically voted for so can we stop the nitpicking, please? The relevance of what I said is that my first vote was over turned so “Oh but democracy” is hardly a defence for continuing with the biggest act of self harm this country’s ever made.

And racist - don't forget they are all racist, and thick
Most Leave voters I know are racist. Proper 'they should all fuck off home' racist.
Four years ago I thought this was just my particular bubble and not representative. Four years following Leave groups on the internet has really opened my eyes to the amount of racism on the Leave side. As another example, every racist group in the UK (Britain First etc) are huge Leave supporters, every one of them.

@VinylDetective

Look, I don’t care what I technically voted for so can we stop the nitpicking, please? The relevance of what I said is that my first vote was over turned so “Oh but democracy” is hardly a defence for continuing with the biggest act of self harm this country’s ever made.

There's a really nice man who made a point that a democracy that can't change it's mind isn't a democracy.

David Davies was his name, and mince was his game. Or so I believe.

I thought that too @ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN, but how do you account for two more Tory victories? I guess it’s “Oh but Corbyn”.

Look, I don’t care what I technically voted for
er....... OK then.

I think a lot of leavers actually see the inequality with in the EU, lets face it not all eu countries are equal. They see countries with bad human rights records trying to become members. They see countries in debt and struggling.

I think a lot of leavers actually see the inequality with in the EU

If we want to centre on sweeping generalisations, a lot of people who voted remain were accused of being totally in thrall to the EU with nary a bad word to say. Which is also nonsense. Plenty wrong with the UK. But as we are discovering, leaving in a huff isn't going to help us deal with that at all. Leaving in a taxi would have been similarly useless, although more in the Marx Brothers spirit of Boris Brexit Johnson. Sadly Zeppo couldn't hold them back.

He should not resign. He tried to get a deal with the EU but they have refused to discuss a legal text. I think no deal Brexit differs from Australian deal as the latter does a series of small agreed deals on terrorism, cooperation on a few things but deals on WTO rules. We deal with US on WTO rules. I don't see a problem.

He should not resign. He tried to get a deal with the EU but they have refused to discuss a legal text

None of the pronouncements of the shower of shits I posted earlier - all made to gain votes - gave any suggestion that the UK needed the EU to do as we said. So leave the EU out of this. Why can't this cluster of clowns get a deal then.

I'll post the quotes again - no amount of ignoring them is going to change the truth of their existence.

I think he’ll step down regardless next year. He’s outlived his usefulness.

People who voted leave and/or Tory are banned on here - didn't you get the memo?

Well the typical course of events with Brexiters in particular is that they flounce when people point out they're full of shit.

Always the victims.

That we are a little c conservative country.

A left wing labour government doesn’t appeal to many

Labour need to be more to the centre to have a chance of winning (and strong leadership)

we can be realistic and understand that we all deserve to earn a decent living wage

Mmmm. Plunging a country into economic chaos and electing a Tory government with a huge majority, yes, those are far more likely to make decent wages for all happen.

I married an EU national. We would get the 'undercut British workers' thing all the time. He would then gently explain to them that he, living in Britain, paid the same rates of income tax and NI and countil tax and rent and utilities and groceries and so on as they did. That his living costs were not magically lower than theirs simply because he happened to be born in Poland. That if employers were paying wages too low for British workers to enjoy an acceptable standard of living, those wages would not afford any worker that same acceptable standard. Then we would get the "yeah but all the immigrants save loads by living in shared houses" and he would point out this option was also open to British workers.

The fault of low wages is not your fellow fucking workers, it is employers and the elite.

The irony is that left of centre parties almost always get more than 50% of the national vote. One can't assume people would vote the same in a proportionate system as they do in FPTP of course, but the best evidence we've got indicates the picture is more complex than that.

I never said it was the fault of workers I said FOM allows for exploration and that doesn’t just suit the elite it suits many businesses. This ain’t an issue just in the UK.

Remain decided to ignore this issues in the referendum they didn’t want to address it that was a huge mistake along with the Bus this is what the referendum became about.

Remain had the chance to say we are listening we know this impacts some voters negatively and that needs to be acknowledged, this needs to change but they didn’t (which Leave and other leave campaigns ran with)

@CrappleUmble

People who voted leave and/or Tory are banned on here - didn't you get the memo?

Well the typical course of events with Brexiters in particular is that they flounce when people point out they're full of shit.

Oh dear, if only these scum would hang around for an acceptable level of vilification eh? Rotters.

No Boris can't swan off & go & make loads of money making speeches & writing columns for newspapers, we need him to carry on cocking things up, blustering & lying so that Labour get a landslide in the next election. He needs to be made accountable for every lie he has told, the oven ready deal, the world beating test, track & trace system being only two of them. We need there to be a public enquiry in to how he handled Covid, how patients were sent to care homes when they were Covid positive, the PPE debacle, how many deaths could have been prevented, how test, track & trace was sold to companies that had no idea of how the system should work, how much money was wasted on the consultants who advised them. He & the Tory party need to be held accountable for everything they have done.

Oh dear, if only these scum would hang around for an acceptable level of vilification eh? Rotters.

How thick do you have to be to claim you are being bullied when you've made a huge thing for 4 years about how you are the majority ?

They doth protest too much, I believe.

The opposition should take their cue from Marr and start referring to the 'Mongolian arrangement' that the government are proposing!

Op you do realise you used morals and Boris Johnson in the same sentence.

Oh dear, if only these scum would hang around for an acceptable level of vilification eh?
Rotters.

Gosh, it's just so unreasonable for people to point out when other people are talking shit. Telling someone they're wrong is definitely bullying. If only those lefty Remainers would just not say anything at all instead of being so fucking inconvenient.

Tory party need to be held accountable for everything they have done.

They wont be though.
They'll just blame the EU, immigrants, Labour, whoever, and their voters will believe them.
Don't forget, they won an election after imposing 10 years of austerity, that has been estimated to have killed more that 100,000 people. Life expectancy in certain sections has actually REDUCED under the Tories, and still people vote for them.
I remember during the election campaign last year a news report was filmed in a food bank. The 'customers' were saying they'd be voting for Boris. Ten years of Tory rule has put you in a fucking food bank because you can't afford to feed your children, and you're still going to vote for them!!! I though that was astonishing enough but this year Tory voters have quite literally been buring their relatives while saying what a good job Boris has done on covid.
I'd love to see them held accountable, but it's not going to happen.

Oh, and if they cause the break up of the UK that'll just mean Tory rule in England FOREVER.

I get the impression that the majority of posters on here have no idea what the EU are attempting to impose on the UK and I am not just talking about them demanding permanent ownership of our fishing waters or insisting that the UK should adhere to the EU’s framework for limiting subsidies to businesses. Both are unacceptable and there are plenty more.

It seems for most of you it's just a great opportunity to Boris/Tory bash.