If No-Deal, BJ has a moral imperative to resign.

[zefi]

Do they honestly think the public won’t notice the not-so subtle shift in terminology to “Australian-Style Deal?” Clearly, the latest Cummings brainwave.

No - it’s “No-Deal.” As in - nothing and you have failed. You can put whatever spin on it you like, it won’t wash.

I did laugh yesterday when MG was rambling on about this “Australian-style Deal” and Andrew Marr asked why “Australian” as opposed to a “Mongolian-Style Deal” or an “Afghan” one?

Basically, we are likely to be out in less favourable terms than Canada.

Surely, this has to be the end if this government?

@Moonmelodies

More people voted for a Non-Tory than voted Tory last time as in most of our wank elections.

But very few voted for the only Non-brexit party.

That's true - but one of the reasons may have been that they knew that in most seats a nematode worm with a blue (or red) rosette would win.

I have even heard people justifying voting for the incumbent on the basis they didn't think there was any point voting for a loser.

Surely if everyone's vote actually counted for something we'd get a better picture of what people want.

bugger off!!

(Sorry Dynamo that wasn’t aimed at you)

@zefi

Yes Twenty. The Australian-Style Deal means free Vegemite for all. The deal is oven-ready!

MG is a shocker, he really is.

I must say, BJ fie strike me as looking defeated these days, despite his best attempts. More mumbling and erring and furtive sideways glances than usual... I can only hope its a sign that he is soon to bigger off.

Not sure why you are so keen to wave goodbye to BJ, since no doubt a leading contender for his replacement would be Gove?

BTW I didn't vote Tory (ever).

BJ has developed bald patches. Doesn't look like male pattern. Maybe effects of covid or stress or both. He could easily resign on health grounds.

I voted remain btw. Not defending him or Conservatives.

@ssd

Well of course he'll resign, he's got what he wanted.

Exactly. You won't see him for dust.

He won’t be resigning anytime soon

There won’t be a mass revolt on a no deal (not enough people care now and there is the bigger issue to many Covid)

He shall want to this through for a while until things start to turn it won’t be overnight as many shall be rejoicing

He shall want to this through for a while until things start to turn it won’t be overnight as many shall be rejoicing
Eh?

If he had any decency he would resign over Brexit.
AND he would resign over his handling of the Covid crisis.
Either is bad enough to be a Resigning Matter, imo

But he has no decency.
6(++?) children by 4 (+?) different women (that we know of)
Fired from previous jobs for lying. A known shirker.
smirking his head off on Friday's TV slot.

I think he'll slink off, between Jan and Easter next year on health grounds. Before he is pushed by Cummings / 22 committee
And then he'll make a nice living on the Speech circuit / 'journalism'

He should be prosecuted, imo, because his incompetence and the consequences for he UK both C-19 & Brexit is borderline criminal.

@allStefoscope this is a fair point.

I think as a PP mentioned, the days of seeing supportive governments who want the best for their people vs. what is best for them and their rich friends are gone.

I personally think we had a chance to get back to this a bit with Corbyn, but he was a dividing character who came across too much like he didn't know what he was doing in the end. Plus a lot of people fell for the ridiculous smear campaign against him.

I'm just sick of hearing things every single day that make me distrust my government. It seems never ending.

I would absolutely love to see Johnson, Raab, Patel, Sunak, Gove, Rees-Mogg and Hancock hooked up to lie detectors. Wouldn't it be fantastic for everyone to find out how crooked they really are.

Not sure why you are so keen to wave goodbye to BJ, since no doubt a leading contender for his replacement would be Gove?

Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to have him 'leading' the country.

Wish we'd gone with Hunt in the last battle for PM.

I would absolutely love to see Johnson, Raab, Patel, Sunak, Gove, Rees-Mogg and Hancock hooked up to lie detectors. Wouldn't it be fantastic for everyone to find out how crooked they really are.

You don't need anything so extravagent.

You simply assume from the off they are lying, and make your decisions accordingly. People complaining about unreliable government really need to wake up and realise how amazingly consistently reliable this government has been at being what it is. Even the twin hammer blows of Brexit and Covid hasn't stopped them shovelling eye-watering amounts of money to their mates. It's one of the post war miracles of politics. And let's be honest: there aren't many that could have pulled it off. It's a world beating act.

@PardonMyFrancais

Not sure why you are so keen to wave goodbye to BJ, since no doubt a leading contender for his replacement would be Gove?

Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to have him 'leading' the country.

Wish we'd gone with Hunt in the last battle for PM.

I find the fact we have any Tory leading the Country embarrassing.

Not sure why you are so keen to wave goodbye to BJ, since no doubt a leading contender for his replacement would be Gove?

Surely Sunak's in with a chance?
And likely to be more popular with the electorate than Gove.

I personally think we had a chance to get back to this a bit with Corbyn, but he was a dividing character who came across too much like he didn't know what he was doing in the end. Plus a lot of people fell for the ridiculous smear campaign against him
I agree - I kept hearing about how he "talked to terrorists" from people who had forgotten that Thatcher was secretly talking to all the same people and telling bare-faced lies about it at the same time.

IMO it was always going to be no-deal, that's what the Brexiteers wanted. All the brinkmanship and "negotiating" was just showboating.

Bit much to blame Boris entirely, why does he not share the blame with all those morons that voted for Brexit without the least clue of what they were voting for?
What exactly did they expect to happen?

What exactly did they expect to happen?

I think many people who voted for Brexit didn't want any kind of deal with the EU.

I still haven't forgiven Cameron for waltzing off into sunset and not clearing up the absolute shitfire he left behind him.

But YABVU to assume that Johnson would ever follow a moral imperative. Johnson will, as he always has done, do what is best for Johnson.

@MarinPrime

What exactly did they expect to happen?

I think many people who voted for Brexit didn't want any kind of deal with the EU.

Mainly because their understanding of the EU was in negative figures anyway.

Many shall be rejoicing that there is no deal

Many who voted for Brexit have no interest whatsoever in a deal being made with the EU

Boris shall be held in high regard for not putting up with the demands of the EU he isn’t going to be walking away from that his ego wouldn’t allow it

As for resigning because he isn’t decent - this has always been known about him it’s always been known he is utterly ruthless yet he is still very popular with voters maybe many see that as a positive

As for Thatcher in negotiations with terrorists this is often the case for senior politicians. It’s not in the public interest to know everything. It’s not comparable to Corbyn’s meetings with friends

YABU to have 'BJ' and 'moral imperative' in the same sentence. Has your tablet burst into flames?

He'll blame everyone else and disappear into the sunset when he should remain in place and sort the mess out.

YABU,

I was told many times 'Are you so stupid that you really think the German car manufacturers will allow Frau Merkel not to order Europe (The Commission, Parliament, all the member states - they are all different but that's not important) to give the UK everything it wants'.

We buy more from Europe so they'll give 'us' what we want'.

Well get to stay in the Single Market while signing buccaneering deals and not have a border between NI and RoI or between GB and NI and not breach the Good Friday/Anglo Irish Agreement. Have never heard any credible explanation about how this could logically work, let alone why the EU would agree.

Europe won't compromise. Reminds me of Caesar looking to avoid peace with Pompey in HBO/BBC Rome and lands on 'He won't Meet Me'.

The Withdrawal Agreement was fabulous. A great deal. It's terrible and we need to pass Statue to be able to break international law (that we happily agreed too) to maintain OUR SOVEREIGNTY.

Of course we get to control our fisheries. Sovereignty, innate. Let's forget that fish mostly needs to be exported to the EU and Australian/Mongolian terms will slap tariffs and border checks will delay shipments. Also doesn't touch on why some of the UK's quote ended up controlled by forriners (sold by UK holders who wanted upfront payment rather than to catch fish. Can't blame them but seems a bit rich conveniently to forget it).

Agent Boris will finish what he was encouraged to do for some reason by those who will benefit from Brexit then retire. Gove, Raab, Patel and the rest won't be clear to their supporters about buying a pig in a poke as they want their turn.

It's rumoured that he's planning on resigning in Jan citing ongoing health issues due to covid.

He'll slink off leaving others to deal with the massive problems caused by Brexit and Covid.