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If No-Deal, BJ has a moral imperative to resign.

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zefi · 19/10/2020 08:48

Do they honestly think the public won’t notice the not-so subtle shift in terminology to “Australian-Style Deal?” Clearly, the latest Cummings brainwave.

No - it’s “No-Deal.” As in - nothing and you have failed. You can put whatever spin on it you like, it won’t wash.

I did laugh yesterday when MG was rambling on about this “Australian-style Deal” and Andrew Marr asked why “Australian” as opposed to a “Mongolian-Style Deal” or an “Afghan” one?

Basically, we are likely to be out in less favourable terms than Canada.

Surely, this has to be the end if this government?

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user1471565182 · 19/10/2020 12:46

They've said australian because the hard of thinking have been going on about 'australian points system' for years and they're hoping they will conflate the two.

Zilla1 · 19/10/2020 12:49

I can imagine a hearty cheer for whoever said 'How about Australian instead of No Deal'. What sounds equally appropriate? Venezuelan? Somalian? Afghanistan? Iraq?

user1471565182 · 19/10/2020 12:52

Moon the libdems are a joke people cant be expected to vote for because of one issue.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 19/10/2020 13:02

@JellyBabiesSaveLives

Nooo! Boris is not allowed to swan off and make lots of money, he needs to stay and stand up in front of us and mumble about how it’s all ok and generally let the whole country see what an utter fool he is. And I hope he hates every minute.

It’s not like we’d get a better Tory in charge if he left.

Well we all watched Cameron slink off scot free. At least Teresa May then tried her utmost to get a deal.

Johnson's oven-ready deal is utter baloney just like his bus lies beforehand. Talking to someone at the weekend who was blaming Macron. Oh no this shit-show is completely home grown!

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 19/10/2020 13:08

@DynamoKev Surely if everyone's vote actually counted for something we'd get a better picture of what people want.

If only! Unfortunately we are stuck with these self-serving pillocks.

Zilla1 · 19/10/2020 13:11

I forgot 'oven ready' deal. And easiest deal ever (I think the latter was based on not changing anything. Funny that buccaneering deals for chlorinated chicken, changes to State Aid and fishing rights might mean the EU might not leap at compromising with that).

VinylDetective · 19/10/2020 13:11

Not sure why you are so keen to wave goodbye to BJ, since no doubt a leading contender for his replacement would be Gove?

But he wouldn’t, he’s tainted by association and he’d retain Cummings. He wouldn’t get enough parliamentary votes to even be in the running.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 19/10/2020 13:21

@SerendipityJane

from my inbox .. notice the nice Mr. Goves pronouncements of 2016. Just in case you wanted to save time listening to his drivel today.

I'd like to get a big bus and put all their lies quotes on it to remind everyone of their failure to deliver.

I hope forevermore when Johnson hears the words 'is the oven-ready yet?' he squirms. Of course that would only happen if he ever set foot inside a kitchen and we all know that the only time he goes in there is to hide in the fridge.

MarinPrime · 19/10/2020 13:28

As a PP (me) has said, surely Sunak would be a strong contender for PM? And definitely more appealing to voters than Gove.

exiledfromcornwall · 19/10/2020 13:29

If he does go I want to see that weasel Cummings go too, otherwise it will just be more of the same whoever takes over.

DynamoKev · 19/10/2020 13:39

As for Thatcher in negotiations with terrorists this is often the case for senior politicians. It’s not in the public interest to know everything.
In which case she could have refused to discuss it on grounds or security - but she chose to make a political point of claiming she didn't talk to terrorists - which was a lie; and a lie she only told for political gain at the time.

It’s not comparable to Corbyn’s meetings with friends
At least he wasn't lying about it, then or since, unlike Thatcher.

DynamoKev · 19/10/2020 13:40

@MarinPrime

As a PP (me) has said, surely Sunak would be a strong contender for PM? And definitely more appealing to voters than Gove.

They don't care about voters - they have a big majority so they can do what they like and appoint whoever the party chooses (and that will be the party in Westminster).

nosswith · 19/10/2020 13:43

Boris Johnson does not do morals, or at least the ones 99% would consider as morals.

I do think he will leave long before the 2024 election if there is a possibility of the Tories losing their majority.

Dragongirl10 · 19/10/2020 13:43

Why should he resign when he is carrying out the results of the referendum?
A deal or No deal was not a condition of the leave vote.

VeryQuaintIrene · 19/10/2020 13:47

YANBU, but when did morality ever enter his head?

VinylDetective · 19/10/2020 13:50

@Dragongirl10

Why should he resign when he is carrying out the results of the referendum? A deal or No deal was not a condition of the leave vote.

Because he was elected less than a year ago on the basis of having an “oven ready deal”.

Dragongirl10 · 19/10/2020 13:56

Because he was elected less than a year ago on the basis of having an “oven ready deal”.

Any leader had to honour the result of the referendum, it was a democratic vote. Not dependent on a deal/or no deal.

SerendipityJane · 19/10/2020 13:59

Any leader had to honour the result of the referendum, it was a democratic vote. Not dependent on a deal/or no deal.

Big. Hairy. Bollocks. It was an advisory referendum.

But if we are holding to promises, once again Boris secured his election on the promise of an "oven ready deal". So where is it then, blond boy ? Where is it ?

Dragongirl10 · 19/10/2020 14:03

Little point asking people to vote then ignoring the result....not very democratic....

SerendipityJane · 19/10/2020 14:22

@Dragongirl10

Little point asking people to vote then ignoring the result....not very democratic....

That was how the cookie crumbles.

And there is "democracy" and there is "democracy" isn't there ? If 52/48 is democracy then why do we listen to anything men have to say ? After all 50.61 % beats 49.39 %

ShebaShimmyShake · 19/10/2020 14:29

@Dragongirl10

Little point asking people to vote then ignoring the result....not very democratic....

FPTP isn't democratic but nobody will change it because it's the easiest way to score a win.

There's nothing undemocratic about not acting on the outcome of a referendum that was merely advisory, corrupt with lies from the winning side and totally uninformed to start with, given that nobody knew under what terms any EU departure would occur.

DynamoKev · 19/10/2020 14:32

I'd gladly change FPTP given a chance.

The time to clarify the terms of the referendum would have been prior to holding it - anything else can look like gerrymandering due to getting the "wrong" answer.

KenDodd · 19/10/2020 14:39

Do they honestly think the public won’t notice the not-so subtle shift in terminology to “Australian-Style Deal?”

Actually, I do think the (Leave voting) public will fall for it. What have you seen, over the last four years, keeping in mind all the other lies and misleading they have fallen for, that makes you think they WON'T fall for this?

KenDodd · 19/10/2020 14:42

What's more, when the shit hits the fan, they won't even rethink then. Boris and co will be pointing the finger at anyone else they can, and they'll get away with it.

KenDodd · 19/10/2020 14:51

Oh, and I'd bet money that there isn't a single Leave/Tory voter on this thread complaining.
Anyone?
Any unhappy/regretful Leave/Tory voters...?

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