Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

I know mn is pro lockdown without thought to economic cost that will happen now to individuals. So many people who say they barely survived first financially but won’t second.

I am one of those in a safe job and working from home, but do not want full lock down because of what it does to people's lives. What I do want though is for people to take individual responsibility for their lives by behaving sensibly and reflecting their own level of risk. The people who are unable to do that are the people you should blame for the next lockdown and inevitable round of job losses, because when that level of individual responsibility fails, the government is forced (very much against its better judgement I suspect) to act.

In a safe job, but as it’s teaching, we are faced with the virus daily and it really does feel risky for ourselves and our families. I am worried about my children’s futures and I think the balance between lives and economy is very difficult to get right. The issue with lockdown is I don’t think this is going away anytime soon so not convinced it’s the right answer but I do think the circuit breaker idea is a good one.

My fear is numbers increasing further and further will result in people dying of covid needlessly due to NHS pressures, people off work en masse causing problems with the delivery of food and repair of utilities and other essential services. Potentially then you get rises in crime as people panic and in a worse case scenario, we end up with the military on the streeets and some kind of martial law.

If people want this lockdown they can stay home / keep dc home.

Restricted borders (to continue after lockdown ends) is the key. That, and a fully functioning test, track, and trace system.

This. We’ve lost thousands of lives through the government faffing around doing nothing at the start. We let the virus pour in and run wild, so it’s harder to contain. Then lost thousands of jobs through badly organised lockdown.

We need border restrictions, supervised quarantine (not “please stay indoors for 14 days, thank you”), hugely increased testing available everywhere, and an efficient track and trace system.

Masks and social distancing are also important. But for god’s sake, we need effective government action.

The full lockdown approach people like Keir Starmer is calling for is for 2-3 weeks to have a circuit breaker. The idea is that cases would fall a lot so in the longer term it would be better.

I don’t want full lock down because it hasn’t worked in countries like Spain & France. It will destroy business sentiment & confidence and make it even harder to get out of this hole.

We are going to be living with the economic effects of COVID much longer than the disease.

At some point the vast majority of the population, and moreso their offspring, are going to have to accept a permanent reduction in living standards due to the damage done to the economy.

I know it must be awful for those working in hospitality but sadly I don’t think there’s a way of getting through this and keep everyone in work. The government should have more support in place than they do for people who may lose their jobs and possibly homes, more need to be done.

I have friends that work in hospitality and I do feel for them. My job is secure but if schools closed I will have no choice but to stay at home as my dd2 is disabled and her school did not offer her a place last time we locked down.

@echt

Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

A thread based on no evidence whatsoever.

This

The right wing loud mouths are lying. They want to keep profits and avoid higher taxes. They don’t care about your jobs or your MH or the NHS.

Nobody wants a lockdown. This is not the debate.

The debate is what to do to avoid having lockdowns and all it entails. The debate is what are we willing to sacrifice collectively in the face of a pandemic. How much we spend and where. Then how we collectively bear the burden.

The right wing are concerned about profits. Not MH and unemployment. The rest of us are just canon fodder to keep their profits and avoid tax rises. With or without restrictions and lockdowns most of us will face unemployment. I can’t even begin to think about some of the drivers for left wing screams for no restrictions. Although it’s usually just a piece of vile about BJ and DC.

Exactly @Enoughnowstop people don’t realise the alternative is still economic breakdown but by truly awful means.

People in so-called cushy jobs are risking their health on a daily basis. Some gratitude would be more appropriate.

YABVU.

I don't want an other lockdown. DH was made redundant at beginning of the month, I will be as of 30th October. We both worked in "safe" jobs... on paper.
If things continue with lockdown and restrictions we will loose everything, including our home. There are no jobs available in our area unless you work 12 hours shift on NMW. For which we are over qualified - as told by recruiters.
So far, this whole strategy has not worked in slowing down the spread... It's a shit show run by selfish twats and a head in the sand government. So why not just call it a day?

@Toptotoeunicolour

I am one of those in a safe job and working from home, but do not want full lock down because of what it does to people's lives. What I do want though is for people to take individual responsibility for their lives by behaving sensibly and reflecting their own level of risk. The people who are unable to do that are the people you should blame for the next lockdown and inevitable round of job losses, because when that level of individual responsibility fails, the government is forced (very much against its better judgement I suspect) to act.

So true - so many people think they know best and ignored social distancing etc - they're the ones to blame. Also the ones who gave false details on entry to pubs/restaurants which has made the tracing system impossible to function. IF we have a circuit breaker, then we need proper enforcement of restrictions afterwards otherwise it will have been a waste - if that means army on the streets then so be it. Time to get tough.

@nevernotstruggling

No way. My job is very safe and I can't cope with another lockdown. I can't cope with the schools closing. I am very worried about people's jobs and lives. Even though I am unaffected in real terms.

Same in that I’m a Sahp and I can’t cope with another lockdown. Even for 2 weeks. Partly because they are saying October half term and we are supposed to be going away. And before anyone jumps on that, our Easter holiday was cancelled as was the break we were supposed to have in May half term. But also partly because it won’t be 2 weeks. They’ll extend it. And it’s that constant uncertainty that I can’t do.

I work in a school so job reasonably secure absolutely NO way I would support a lockdown. I don't want my children's futures destroyed. The outlook already looks bleak.

I agree @User3405678 i feel for anyone losing their jobs, i’m watching the successful businesses DH has built up disintegrate.

However whilst I feel the book stops ultimately with the government hospitality could have done more to help themselves in contributing to effective track and trace - Require actual ID not just rely on someone to give the correct details - they’re required to do this anyway for check 21 and lots of bars and clubs in London do it as a matter of course regardless. It would have been a tiny bit more effort for maximum effect.

Also enforcing social distancing between patrons - many establishments have yes protected their staff but have just let punters get on with it. They should have been taking more responsibility!

I’m just interested to know what people think the alternative is now
Continue with shielding the vulnerable and accepting a lot of people will be exposed to the virus and hopefully survive relatively unscathed.

Because

We wouldn’t be where we are if people had complied with the less stringent measures

Completely agree. We are a household with 5 close families. We are the only ones who had full compliance the first time around. The fact is (and you see it everyday here) people bend the rules. People ignore the rules. People fight against the rules.

I think we need to get to a place of acceptance that we are losing this fight.

I’m vulnerable and finally recovering from six months of long Covid. But I don’t want a full lockdown. The lockdown was really damaging to my DDs and I really don’t want schools to close.

But at the same time, I don’t know what the answer is, as our government is patently incapable of implementing an effective track and trace.

@ImSleepingBeauty canceled holidays....jeeze I wish that’s all I had to worry about in all this!

I don’t get why people in hotspots need everyone else to do the same.

Surely a localised effort would help them too as very scarce resources (funding) not spread nationally.

Not really sure what the answer is but Liverpool hospital is struggling at capacity and the original trail back started in July and linked to social gatherings of young people -www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/how-south-liverpool-coronavirus-outbreak-18608073

It wasn't contained and gradually the infection rate grew so that now at October the hospitals in that area are struggling so its a few months later..... I guess a short sharp shock lock down for areas that are at the position that Liverpool was at just slows it down again so to not overwhelm the NHS in a particular area.... perhaps do that really strict lockdown in the areas where the numbers are increasing.

I am self employed but my business is not affected by Covid and I am in an area that is low infection in the community but university students have a large spike.

Maybe is the government published everyday how many people died of cancer, heart disease, normal influenza etc. on a daily basis alongside Covid figures, it would give people more context to see if a lock down is necessary.

@MimiDaisy11

The full lockdown approach people like Keir Starmer is calling for is for 2-3 weeks to have a circuit breaker. The idea is that cases would fall a lot so in the longer term it would be better.

And then we’d simply have another ‘circuit breaker’ in a couple of months

And then another, and another...

YABU to expect people's views and priorities not to be affected by their life situations. Besides, both sides of the debate are trying to achieve something good - preserving health and life or preserving livelihoods. So it's not as if either camp doesn't have its good reasons. Your view is affected bu what job you do - why wouldn't everybody else's be? And since when does a secure job mean a cushy job?

Nobody wants to be in full lockdown. There are no easy answers to this crisis.

If we want to keep the NHS open for all...preventing cancelled operations and staff burn out

Then shielding the vulnerable means completely isolating anyone over the age of 45 from anyone under that age , fully shielding anyone over 45

Yes, those people are not as a whole high risk, but they are sufficiently high risk that hospitals will be full of such people in a short space of time

So that means...we have to make choices about how their children are treated...are they made to home school and shield with their parents or do we take them into foster care?

How do we manage supermarkets ? I guess we have half the days staffed by the over 45 for the use of the over 45s and the other half of the time staffed by younger people for use by younger people?

What about schools ? Lots of teachers are over 45. I guess we just make bigger classes and make the over 45s redundant ?

And nurses and doctors? How do we manage there? Can we provide support to the over 45 on say 5 out of 7 days using only th older staff? What happens if you are 30 and need specialist surgery but the surgeon is 50? Do we let you suffer and die?

Calling everyone back to planet earth, 2020. Shielding the vulnerable does not work