Page 9 | Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

willowywillow · 15/10/2020 08:16

Your asking people to not have any biases op. The thing is you are as biased as anyone else is. You have to allow people to have their own opinion based on their own life experience. You have your's. We are not all scientists and we certainly don't have access to the full compliment of scientific and economic data. Even if we had the time and ability to analyse it all. My solution is to try and not be caught up too much in all the speculation. It's too much of an emotional roller coaster, the actuality is challenging enough.

jcurve · 15/10/2020 08:18

@Chuggington2 agreed. I have to show more ID to click & collect a parcel from the supermarket than the contact tracing app requires.

Again, a lot comes down to a government that refuses to outsource to any of the large competent companies that can help, leading to the utter disaster of storing records in an Excel spreadsheet. If Air BnB can confirm my legal identity on their app within a matter of seconds, why can’t a six month old track & trace app?

MarshaBradyo · 15/10/2020 08:19

On R4 - It looks like government won’t go with Burnham’s ask for national circuit breaker and not budging on tier 3 funding.

Porcupineinwaiting · 15/10/2020 08:21

I know quite a few nhs staff calling for tougher measures to control the virus. Also teachers. Not sure I'd call their jobs "cushy" tbh.

Echo08 · 15/10/2020 08:21

I am in one of the so called cushy , safe job , community care, my OH is self employed .I work full time and it nearly broke me last time. The worry of keeping our lovely people we care for safe and we did whilst also keeping myself and my family safe .Where I work now is classed as high risk I have asthma I am terrified if I catch it would it make me very ill .Who knows. My eldest lives and works in Liverpool also In a safe job but it still keeps me awake at night.
I don't know if a two week short lockdown would help then I am for it .But the government is a circus full of clowns beyond useless .

HowFastIsTooFast · 15/10/2020 08:25

I hear you OP. My job relies entirely on people being able to travel and where I live all I see every day is 'close the borders, close the borders'

(from the same people who would then lose their shit when they realised it meant Granny couldn't come for Christmas and so affected THEM personally).

Very sadly after almost 20 years in the industry for the first time now I'm looking for a way out before I get thrown out

yearinyearout · 15/10/2020 08:26

My job is safe but I'm against a lockdown because don't want all my friends who work in hospitality out of a job. I also don't want all my local pubs closing down for good! I'm not sure people realise that lots of businesses are just about hanging by a thread and another lockdown will kill them off altogether.

hamstersarse · 15/10/2020 08:27

Lockdown is essentially the middle class secure people hiding away while the working class people bring them things

Wtfdoipick · 15/10/2020 08:30

I hear what you are saying op but due to the current numbers we are going nowhere near hospitality at the moment so a lockdown wouldn't hurt that. What is needed is more confidence that covid is under control and measures are working. There are a lot of people who are staying home and not spending and until they have confidence the economy can not recover. It's about more than just feeling safe in your job

Porcupineinwaiting · 15/10/2020 08:32

@hamsterarse that's such a wanky, lazy generalisation.

Mittens030869 · 15/10/2020 08:33

It's not only about hospital stays and deaths. There are many people suffering from long Covid, and a lot of them aren't even in a vulnerable group (unlike me, I had pneumonia last year and already had CFS). This leads to previously very active people who are holding down jobs struggling to even get out of bed. That impacts the economy as well.

There are no easy answers, sadly.

Elphame · 15/10/2020 08:37

@dogmad170

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

Every time I see Drakeford speak I think of his £120000 salary.

He’s destroyed my livelihood as I am closed now indefinitely. He’s sitting pretty but he’s hell bent on destroying the Welsh tourist industry.

Cloudybean · 15/10/2020 08:40

Your asking people to not have any biases op. The thing is you are as biased as anyone else is

Agreed, and I think that covers health too, so someone who is more vulnerable is quite reasonably in many cases not going to be as enthusiastic about letting it 'rip through' society. Instead of getting annoyed at eachother, we should be frustrated that the things we needed in place to facilitate the safer opening of pubs etc (not the pubs themselves, most have spent a lot of money making them compliant), but an effective track and trace system, better support for those who have to isolate etc- not being in place. The app is ridiculous, as is recieving a call saying yeah you should isolate, or wait a week to get your test results back.

TheKeatingFive · 15/10/2020 08:42

Lockdown is essentially the middle class secure people hiding away while the working class people bring them things

Great sum up. The unexamined privilege is unreal.

foxychox · 15/10/2020 08:45

I'm in a safe job (I hope) and I definitely don't want a lockdown, we need to learn how to properly contain local outbreaks...

midgebabe · 15/10/2020 08:45

If you want to keep the economy afloat, the virus needs to be suppressed.

Lockdowns followed by test and trace and isolate are one means to achieve this

Could people advising against any more lockdowns please describe how they will protect the economy and save jobs ?

Or do you actually think that an uncontrolled virus will have limited or no economic effect ?

Cloudybean · 15/10/2020 08:46

Lockdown is essentially the middle class secure people hiding away while the working class people bring them things

A lot of healthcare staff aren't working class, are they? I do agree in general, but it's not like everyone who has been forced to work from home is gleeful and really happy about everything that is going on. I know someone is going to say I am blinded by my priveledge, but I disagree with a full lockdown again, and can't wait to get back to the office. My DH has been working throughout outside of the home, and DS has been going to nursery as usual, so interested about all of this family time and baking people keep talking about!

lazylinguist · 15/10/2020 08:47

Lockdown is essentially the middle class secure people hiding away while the working class people bring them things

That may be largely true, but the people in favour of lockdown aren't all middle class and the people against aren't all working class.

Cloudybean · 15/10/2020 08:50

Could people advising against any more lockdowns please describe how they will protect the economy and save jobs ?

The government implimenting an effective track and trace system? The guidance being crystal clear rather than people not having a clue when they're supposed to isolate? More support for those who do have to have 2 weeks off of work, especially in the sectors that are shaky? More support for those who were shielding preciously so they can make decisions based on their health (and the wider community really in regards to hospital capacity)- rather than having to send their children to school or carry on going out to work on the 'frontline' to pay the bills? Better gathering of stats so they can identity where the areas of spread are, pubs seem to have low levels, but the scientists keep saying it's risky. Transparent, clear statistics that help inform decision making? An increase in school budgets to help them put measures into place without dipping into their own pockets or making do? A plan regarding care homes this time round, rather than just send them back from hospital and see what happens?

Just a few ideas.

midgebabe · 15/10/2020 08:54

Well yes. Test, trace, supported isolation .... things should have been done...totally agree. And I am beyond pissed that a bunch of incompetent toffs have completely screwed it up

But , we are where we are now, and as in March, things have started to spiral out of control

We need to get control and then ( as you say ) take actions to keep control

Abouttimemum · 15/10/2020 08:54

Well it’s a bit shit for everyone OP, to be honest.
I don’t want a full lockdown either, I’d just like people to stop behaving like dickheads, which means we’ll be in this cycle much longer than is necessary.

Fizbosshoes · 15/10/2020 08:55

YANBU. The most vocal friends I had on SM calling for lockdown in March were

someone who wfh anyway
SAHM with DH who has a well paid job that he can wfh
finance director who can wfh
public sector workers who can wfh.

I dont know what the answer is. DH is SE and I was on furlough/part time furlough until september. If I thought it was "just going to be 2 weeks" we could probably just about ride out not earning for that period....but so many people wouldnt be able to, and I'm not convinced it would be only 2 weeks.

On a different thread someone was saying it was all city financiers that didnt want a lock down,but actually I think there are a huge amount of people ar the other end of the scale that will be adversely affected. People on NMW are often the ones that cant wfh (retail, carers, hospitality, warehouse workers, delivery drivers, cleaners etc) as well as SE who work outside their home.

user1487194234 · 15/10/2020 08:58

Totally agree OP
All the people responsibility for Lockdown ie the politicians are getting paid regardless,a lot of them have never had a job in the real world
Most people I know who are in favour of lockdown are in safe public sector jobs
On the other hand people in hospitality and the self are being hung out to dry

Waxonwaxoff0 · 15/10/2020 09:05

@Porcupineinwaiting they're not "cushy" jobs, no, but they will still get full pay even if there is a lockdown.

Aragog · 15/10/2020 09:08

I think it’s those like me who work in hospitals calling for a circuit break lockdown, hardly doing it because we like sitting at home with no commute

Having just spent the last 3 days in hospital and dealing with a lot of medics, before finally having a positive COVID result (wasn't the reason I was there, I didn't have the classic 3 symptoms) that's not been my experience.

We are in a high risk category area but actually the town we numbers are very high. We kind of expect tier 3 at some point shortly.

I've spoken about COVID and lockdown with a number of doctors and nurses in recent days, especially since my positive result yesterday morning, and none appear to want a full lockdown, none I spoke to seemed to think it would make that much difference especially as schools, universities etc are to stay open during them.

Maybe as we have large teaching hospitals and facilities are good, I don't know if that's helping their feelings about it, the COVID wards are busy but they were saying most people they're seeing, especially when I was in a and e, aren't as ill as last time so they're not feeling like they're compromising in other areas just yet.

They were concerned yes, but not feeling as though they were reaching crisis point.

It's interesting to,see different perspectives.