Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

My job is completely safe but I still agree with you. It seems that going forward COVID is something we need to learn to live with.

Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

A thread based on no evidence whatsoever.

My jobs not in immediate danger (teacher - albeit independent school) but I’m fully aware that I am in a generation of people that will be paying this back for the rest of our lives! We all will through taxes, but as someone in my early 30s I have no faith in a state pension existing anymore when I’m older due to paying off lockdown, and I can see more and more services being cut.
And I say this as someone who was furloughed (I wasn’t a teacher last year)
Lockdown was not fun - I think if it happens again in the depths of a dark cold winter so many people will really struggle.

I agree w you. If track and trace is not going to be improved there seems little point in a circuit breaker.

I don't know whether it's the people in the perceived "safe" jobs (possibly public sector), but if anyone thinks their job is safe, they are naive.

When I worked in the public sector, it was seen as a job for life and there were never redundancies. I've worked for a long time now in the private sector and work with public sector organisations (LAs, Health, etc.), these organisations are making people redundant (have seen it this week). One I am now working with, has just culled 150 positions and another (county council), has placed all staff in 3 departments at risk.

If it's people in assumed safe positions, they should be careful what they wish for.

I feel for you but I think the hospitality industry and others are screwed either way. It’s awful :(

I work in a shop, not safe, looking at very reduced hours once the dust settles, if not redundancy. I would like a circuit breaker lockdown. Take the hit make it now, when it might be effective. Is keeping shops and restaurants open and telling people not to go in them great for these businesses, and the economy in general?

@PurpleFlower1983

I feel for you but I think the hospitality industry and others are screwed either way. It’s awful :(

That’s a much more succinct version of what I was trying to say.

I wfh and my job is at risk, I do not want or believe another lockdown is justified. It will delay the inevitable . Covid is looking more and more like a way of life, countries such as NZ have eradicated it but at What cost. They can't open their borders to most people, if they do they have the chance it'll come back as it already has. They have no herd immunity, like it or not herd immunity is a real thing and it's the reason Spanish flu burnt out. There is no vaccine for it.
Life cannot keep stopping and starting. I know several people who have had it, children and 40 year olds and I still disagree with lockdown.

I’m in a safe job (working way past 9-5 tho) and I don’t want a full lockdown but from a strictly personal view would not chafe at it. My vulnerable relatives have been shielding since March so in effect we have been in sort of lockdown mode anyway (doing all their shopping etc).

I'm hospitality type, and we've been told our jobs are at risk.
It's exactly that reason I think a circuit breaker is needed.
It would be far better for us to have a month break now and then hope to get through to spring/summer with lighter controls, than spend all winter with tighter and tighter controls. The later we leave it the longer it will need to be to have any effect.
Ideally they'd have done it in October when furlough was still in operation.

Your anger should primarily be directed at the government. SAGE's advice to stop in-person university tuition if accepted would have meant far more students remained at their family home for this term, and cases would have been much lower.

No face to face university tuition (at least until Easter), no travel to/from Covid 19 hotspots, a proper locally managed test and trace system, work from home unless it is impossible to do so (not 'if you can'), all fast food places being takeaway only, and no exceptions to face covering requirements at all, all would achieve a lot without completely ruining the economy.

I have a ‘cushy’ job and a DP who, whilst self-employed, works in utilities and his income hasn’t been affected. I don’t want a full lockdown but we have to do something to reduce transmission if we want to protect the economy. If hospitals are overrun, less patients will be able to seek treatment which will increase the mortality rate. Then people’s behaviour will change due to fear of contracting the virus. There is no point keeping the hospitality sector completely open if people stop eating out etc due to fear. Schools and universities opening have imo been the main drivers of increased transmission and closing these would have the greatest impact on reducing transmission. However we need to prioritise education so this isn’t possible. I’m not sure what measures should be brought in but I am sure that the government need to offer those sectors affected more support, it is very cheap for the government to borrow money at the moment, yields were even negative earlier this year. They need to recognise that when we can re-open there is going to be a lot of pent up demand for these sectors.

We lost my fil at Easter to covid. My beloved aunt is ECV, my dm is vulnerable and both me and dh have health conditions making us more vulnerable.

The last thing I want is another lockdown. I have 2 dcs who are loving being back at school. Dh is in the construction industry so most vulnerable to a recession.

The government have fucked about all summer. Spent billions on furlough schemes so people could doss at home. Whilst I agree furlough was absolutely needed initially, it should have been withdrawn earlier and people made to go back to work at the end of july. Then millions should have been thrown at the NHS so it could cope with the inevitable spike when kids and students went back.

It's a fucking disgrace that mid way through October hospitals are reaching breaking point. As soon as we saw cases rising in spain and France we should have taken action. And why can Italy cope? And France doesn't have as many restrictions as us, presumably because their hospitals can cope.

And whilst I have every sympathy with people in the hospitality sector I don't think we can save their jobs or businesses. Many pubs hang on year in, year out by their fingernails. And the economy can not keep supporting them indefinitely. Its tragic for them but the economy is much bigger than 1 sector.

I'm a nurse and am not in favour of a lockdown. They simply don't work. The long term financial effects and reduced health services will have a more damaging effect on us than Covid.

LOCKDOWN KILLS. We don't want it. Lockdown is going to leave a MUCH bigger legacy than the virus; the effects haven't been seen yet, but THEY WILL BE, the media is trying to distract us from that very real probability, trying to get us to embrace lockdown instead. Boris will have blood on his hands if he calls another lockdown (even though he's bound to be out of office by the time that really bites). Somebody said "finances can be recovered" - for many people, that is simply not true: many people will not recover from this financially, will lose their jobs, and maybe their homes. If another lockdown does happen, the public are not going to be so docile and brainwashable this time. People keep saying "the virus kills" - so does poverty.

Remember also the "graph of doom" which predicted 50000 daily cases (or was it more deaths) by now? We are nowhere near that amount. Spin, brainwashing and projected scary figures at their absolute best.

The only people I know calling for a "short" sharp lockdown are the media and Kier Starmer, and greedy council leaders with the £ signs spinning in their eyes, reflecting what they think the public want, saying the opposite of what Boris says to stir things up, or trying to persuade the public by telling them what to think, like a child. "You don't really want those sweets now, before lunch." If a "two-week" lockdown does happen, it sure as hell won't be a mere two weeks: it will be dragged out for another week, and then another, and then another, because "the figures aren't going down"; well, duh, it takes time for the measures to have an effect, we know that by now, the media and government thinks we forget mere trivia like that.

And the moment it's announced, we know what will happen, which we cannot mention, because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: let's just say it's to do with a certain product which we all use every day which has well-known TV adverts of a puppy running away with the item in question. Do we want that happening all over again???? Do we???

@NRatched just FYI immunity from vaccines is different from immunity from the infection itself. They had someone from the Oxford Trial and a Doctor (woman can’t remember name) whose head of the UK vaccine task force being interviewed on BCC 5 Live yesterday.

I agree and I'm sick of it. I was furloughed for 4 months, the industry I work in has got back on its feet but another lockdown would finish us off, not to mention I can't WFH in my role, it's just not possible so if school closes I will have to choose between giving up my job and losing my house or breaking household mixing rules to get family to help with childcare for my 7yo.

I'm fed up of being told that I must sacrifice everything to keep people that I don't even know safe to be honest. My DS and his welfare is more important to me.

I’m a nurse. I didn’t support the first lockdown and I won’t support this either.

The trouble with lockdowns is they make poor people even poorer and that is really dangerous territory.

I might have accepted the first one if it was short but it wandered into aiming for Virus eradication. Which obviously failed as they kept the borders open throughout. Because it went on for so long people are now poorer and don’t have tolerance for another. It still doesn’t even have a clear aim. There is no imminent vaccine.

The people of educational or working age ‘paying’ for this are doing so for a virus that is no more harmful to the majority of them than a common cold. That is the reality. As awful as the virus can be to the minority, it is not Ebola and therefore the action has been disproportionate.

I’m just interested to know what people think the alternative is now. And those who have said don’t blame people, people are squarely to blame (along with the government). We wouldn’t be where we are if people had complied with the less stringent measures. But no as this board proves we are a nation of know betters.....now look where we are. If we all made a small sacrifices and changes it wouldn’t have gotten to this place where some are at threat of losing their livelihoods again. So I will absolutely hate on those people!!

I'm fed up of being told that I must sacrifice everything to keep people that I don't even know safe to be honest. My DS and his welfare is more important to me.

Agreed, I've said this several times but have been told I'm selfish and a psychopath, no I'm realistic. If your back is to the wall and you think you are going to lose everything, anyone other than your family aren't important, they aren't even a small spec on the radar.

@Waxonwaxoff0 family are allowed to help with childcare under tier 3

I am WFH and so is DH, we have been since March, both in 'safe' jobs.

Neither of us want another lockdown, we fear for the economy and society in general and believe it or not, we have empathy for people like you, OP, we don't want to see more people lose their jobs (even if we don't know you, we still feel for you.

Phil yep, it's ridiculous. If you dare say that actually you don't want to give up things that you've worked hard for and want your child to be getting am education it's always "you're so selfish, people are dying." If you don't put the welfare of everyone else above yourself and your family you're selfish according to many on here.

@IheartNiles there is the issue of long covid though which does seem to be affecting younger working age people who now can’t work or look after their children properly
...what’s your nursing specialism slightly worrying as you really should know it isn’t just a cold. A friend of ours (36 mum of 2) is on disability benefits now and hasn’t really gone back to work since getting it in March. Not sure many colds do that.