Another CF neighbour parking one...

[Lillipops]

Hello fellow Mumsnetters I have for you a CF neighbor parking issue I have included a diagram so I hope it makes sense. We live in a semi detached house which has a driveway. At the end of the driveway a footpath cuts across and then there is another drive which goes down to the road. It is long enough to fit at least 4 cars because the house is set back from the road. Relatively modern development but ours and next door are the only ones in the street with such driveway. Our boundary runs from the edge of our garage down to the main road as shown in our deeds, there is a line where the concrete has been laid on the 2nd bit of the drive but other than that there is no visible division if you see what I mean. We park our car on the drive just in line with our house. A new couple have moved in next door with 3 cars. Instead of moving one of their cars off the drive to move them around they have taken to just driving across our drive to get around it. AIBU that this is so cheeky? It's really winding me and especially my partner up. This is NOT a shared drive and they are driving across our land because they are so lazy rather than just move their cars. I wouldn't mind if they had asked or queried it but they just seem to do what they like. I've attached a picture so you can see.....hit me mumsnetters

This would have only happened to me once. Tell them to knock it off and put stuff there to make sure they're not doing it when you're not there.

Don't believe for a second all the sanctimonious people who say they wouldn't care. If someone was using your driveway to turn around in or your garden to cut through? Yeah right.

Chinned means punched here but I still didn't think you meant literally.

Lots of generous people on here that are happy to pay to upkeep their property that someone else is using

I must confess that the cost of replacing my tarmac a few days earlier because of that kids bike grinding away at it does keep me up at night.

My DF is a 'CF' who drives over the neighbours drive to move the car at the back when the neighbour isn't parked on their side (Similar set up to OP, except without the additional part in front of the path). He also uses neighbours bins when theirs are full up (evening before collection day, not all week). He will never ask when it's pointed out he's being cheeky, his response 'oh, xx won't mind'. He says he wouldn't mind if the neighbour drove over his drive or used his bins. my DM would though. I don't think he's the neighbour from hell yet.

What are they driving that you are worried about damage, a tank?

If that's the case, fine. Otherwise it's petty and will not help the neighbourly relationship if you start putting bollards and planters up to stop them from doing something that does not affect you in any way.

Builders are a different matter and of course should not have messed up your property.

@Lillipops

Just trying to avoid confrontation to be honest, will see how it goes hopefully they will get the message

I don’t see a need for confrontation. Just a polite “please don’t keep driving over our driveway, thanks”.

The PA parking on the bottom bit hoping they get the message, rather than an adult conversation, is a bit odd.

@Funnyface1 sanctimonious? No, not at all.

I'd rather help my neighbours out than be hostile.

You say "just move their cars" but that involves:

1. Start car 1 and park it somewhere on the road
2. Start car 2 and park it somewhere on the road
3. Go back to car 1 and move it back onto the drive
4. Go back to car 2 and Finally start their journey

And that's assuming there are places nearby to park on the road. Are you honestly saying if it were reversed you'd do all that messing about running between cars in the rain when there's a perfectly good bit of land to just drive over?

I bet if you solve this "problem" you'll be back in a couple of months complaining about your neighbours constantly shuffling cars about on their drive!

The stain on the driveway from the builders would annoy me, but that should have been sorted properly at the time - I think that's a separate issue and has clouded your judgement.

The idea they're adding wear and tear to the tarmac is ridiculous, the weather will do far more damage to that than 1 extra car a couple of times a day.

I don’t think you do either
www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/chinned
It’s regionalised but very much another word for ‘had a moan at’.

That link is the US usage. Not a single poster who commented has suggested it means "had a moan at" (except you and OP).

If your driveway is flat then buy some narrow plant pots with trellis and place it along the border of your drive. That way they dont have room to cross into your drive. Or just ask them nicely, "please don't use my drive". It needs to be nipped in the bud, otherwise if they do it for long enough, it becomes their right of way.

Some big plants are needed.

Did you or your DP speak to them about the cement mixing, hose use and staining?

This wouldn't bother me either. It's such a faff to move cars about every time you leave the house. I also think you are being really petty.

If they keep moving the middle car, why don't they park that one on the bit closer to the road?

In the long term I'd put up a small fence on your side to stop them doing this. It would piss me off.

It seems such a small thing to be bothered by. It doesn't inconvenience you in the slightest and it saves them several minutes each time. I'd be more inclined to be neighbourly.

Top notch work on the diagram, though.

If they're doing it every day then the wear and tear on your drive is a factor, and I bet they wouldn't want to pay half next time you have it maintained. Park on the other bit so they can't. Just don't get too carried away about it. I know someone who has 5 lockable bollards across their drive! 🤣

@AlannaOfTrebond

Where I come from chinned means to punch someone.

Yep that is what it meant to me too. I was very taken aback when I read the update. 😀

Tinytear that's what I don't get. If you know which car you will be using first park that one on the drive nearest the road. It is very annoying! We wouldn't have minded if they had asked us first, absolutely no problem at all carry on neighbours. It's the fact they haven't asked us or even mentioned it. Other neighbours have mentioned it to us and they said they would've done the same thing

Sorry, but who cares if some posters would be fine with it? It doesn't make it right. When it's YOUR property, you make the arrangements you want on it.
When it's somebody else's property, at the very least you ask - but really you respect it and don't use it.

It's as cheeky as neighbours using your drive because they haven't got one and your are "not using yours" (as seen on MN
😂)

What's next? using your neighbours garden because they are elderly, don't use it and your kids need more space?

Neighbours bought a house with a certain drive, if its not convenient enough for them, they can move or find alternate arrangements. They don't take over and start using the neighbours property to increase the size or access of theirs. The entitlement of some CF is astonishing.

YANBU OP. Sadly with people like that, there's no boundary unless you create a physical one.

You don't need to be confrontational, but you could try talking to them. Do they even know that it is your land?

@TheresNothingIWantMore if it is too much hassle for them then maybe they should have thought about it before they bought the house.

I'd rather help my neighbours out than be hostile.

I've reported this comment for deletion as not in the spirit of the site.

Always best to be pleasant with neighbours. Whatever you say will be met defensively though unless you’re really nice and diplomatic.

Also I read on here that neighbour disputes are recorded somewhere making it harder to sell a house. Is that correct?

My neighbour is having issues with her neighbour along. It causes her huge anxiety. Not that we know who it was, but there was a hammer that had been chucked up on her roof recently. She has a young child and that hammer landed above the child’s bedroom window. Her problem neighbour is in her 60s...

And we live on a cut de sac of mostly late 50s+ relatively wealthy judging by their cars and houses (apart from us) and my nice neighbour next door.

This is exactly why I dont want a new build house with two drives together. Dh doesnt see the issue

We wouldn't have minded if they had asked us first, absolutely no problem at all carry on neighbours.

So you wouldn't actually have minded if they talked to you first?

But you won't talk to them either to resolve it?

It's annoying but the layout of the properties is terrible. I'd rather they just nipped over the end of the drive than shuffled cars. If you bring it up with them, you'll look like a petty twat.

Or just get the chain fence thing. But it will still = twattery and you never know when you might want some goodwill back from them.

What TheresNothingIWantMore said. It's a lot more annoying if my neighbour was starting and re-shuffling 3 cars every morning than if they used my driveway for what, 3 seconds?