Just found out that Billie Piper doesn't share social/political views as her ex H

[EddyF]

I just assumed that she shared similar views as that silly man. I am not sure what attracted her to him; she seems pretty level headed and clued up.

I googled her as I saw a movie featuring her and I wanted to watch it but wouldn't have watched it if she was anything like that Lawrence/Laurence, or whatever he's called. I really dislike the man and his face, and unfairly, I had lumbered Bilie with him despite them being separated.

But I can't imagine marrying and having kids with someone who is on a completely different wavelength on such important issues.

I guess there's no aibu but had me reflect if he was always like this/only become like what he is after the divorce.

I would hate to parent with someone with views like him. I would be worried what he's teaching my children all types of intolerance. Plus he's just not very bright.

Is it 1822? Why on earth would you assume that a divorced woman held the same views as her ex husband from years ago? Perhaps the clue is in the word "divorced"...

@Goosefoot

I have no doubt that there are a range of views on this amongst the black community, just as there are a range of views on feminism amongst women, on homophobia amongst gay people etc. We see that range of views expressed by women on here when it comes to feminism.

However, it's a bit strange to hear people who aren't likely to have experienced racism or sexism say that they think the UK is a the most tolerant. lovely country in a discussion about racism and when he is told that he doesn't get it because of white male privilege, he says he can't help that.

He is correct - he can't help being white or male. But what he can do is listen when he hears experiences of racism and sexism and to see what he can do to make things better.

Has he chosen to do that?

No. He has chosen to dismiss the views of people who have experienced such things. He has chosen to get involved in this way.

I wish he could use his acting skills to just see what life is like for some women and some people from minority backgrounds. Just like that solicitor who was repeatedly mistaken for the defendant at a court.

Or the black MP mistaken for the cleaner.

Just like women who are mistaken for the receptionists in meetings.

Have literally never heard anyone who wasn’t clearly a total arsehole refer to other people as
‘woke’ or use the term ‘cancel culture’ without irony.

It’s great that so many support free speech - bit odd that their support seems to galvanize them into action only when racist arseholes are the Truth Tellers, but never mind - and they must be so pleased that Fox’s views are so fiercely rebutted. A fine example of free speech in action. Only a moron confuses that with ‘cancel culture’.

When one speaks, there are consequences. Welcome to the world of adults.

@aintnousernamelikenousername

People don’t need to ‘get over it’. Cancelling someone isn’t wrong if they have despicable and disgusting views like that fool does.

Cancelling is always wrong. If you completely close people down all the time, they get more extreme. People really have learnt nothing from Brexit have they? People have concerns about immigration, oh they must be racist, how dare they express an opinion. So what do they do - they vote to leave the EU.

Keep closing people down and you'll have trouble. And remember that not everyone thinks views are despicable and disgusting. The extreme trans lobby want to close all "cis" women down because they think they are despicable and disgusting and have succeeded to an extent. Do you really think it's ok to stop free speech, or only when you don't agree with the views expressed?

As far as Laurence Fox is concerned, I just think he got stubborn at the overreaction to those original comments he made and now he's just digging himself into a bigger hole. Sometimes it really is better to ignore these things and they go away. In his case it might have been better for someone to have a quiet word with him in private rather than allowing the twittersphere to get hysterical.

@AuntMasha

Well, indeed. Maybe he is just a cunt. I was just asking a question.

Christ, why is AIBU so fucking hostile?

Anonymity. I guess they want to have a bit of an 'edge' on their real life personalities. 🤷

It is concerning that someone thought this set of ideas was worthy of five million pounds.

Why? People donated to the Labour party when Corbyn as in charge.

@monstermancs

It is concerning that someone thought this set of ideas was worthy of five million pounds.

Why? People donated to the Labour party when Corbyn as in charge.

I don’t hold the same political or actually any other views as my ex and father to my kids. I’d be mortified if someone thought I did. My ex has always been right wing while I am a “millennial snowflake”. As time has gone on “right wing” has evolved into far right, racist, homophobic every other kind of nastiness and has got worse since I left him.

My ex is about as intelligent as LF (so thick as mince basically) so countering his bollocks with actual facts and instilling kindness and understanding in my children isn’t that difficult luckily.

He has had to delete his paedophile tweets. Someone has had a word with him over night. That isn't actually how defamation cases work. Just delete it and its over.

This is him all over isn't it? Says something, gets handed his arse on a plate, deletes it / apologises. He's really not as clever as he thinks he is.

Lots of protestations that LF hasn't said anything racist.

Yes, he has. This is how it's cloaked. He's actually used the phrase 'colour blind'. This is easy when you're born to white privilege. You don't have to see colour; it's not constantly thrust in your face.

Not so easy when you lose out on job opportunities, have to work twice as hard as white colleagues for promotion, or worse, face overt racism when going about your daily life. Check out that hideous 'tube rage' viral footage if there's any doubt PoC have to life this reality.

There's a lot of stuff on the bottom part of the pyramid, the 'socially acceptable' face of privilege, that Fox is spouting ad nauseum. It's very indicative of that 'white masculine privilege' he so strongly objected to being told he had.

This is racism. Whether covert or overt, it's still racism. And what truly bothers me is that some of the more extreme, 'socially unacceptable' varieties are slowly but surely falling into the 'acceptable' part of the pyramid.

This stuff's insidious. Laurence Fox is no poster boy for 'anti-woke'. He's an unpleasant, divisive racist.

The guy claims to be a Trump fan and people on here suggest he's not right wing. Have a word with yourselves.

According to that pyramid it would be racist for the US to have a Eurocentric curriculum. Is it not then also racist to expect British people to follow US based advice on social behaviour?

His party clearly is right wing. If he wasn’t right wing he wouldn’t be involved with it.

Can you support a racist who won't condemn white supremacy and not be considered racist yourself?

Don't agree but he has every right to his opinion

I saw his reply to the Sainsbury’s tweet and my instant reaction was “Laurence Fox is doing a racism again”. Apparently plenty of other people saw it and thought the same and it’s not hard to see why. His response to them was juvenile, pathetic and (probably) attention seeking. Hope everyone he baselessly called a paedophile sues the shit out of him.

However, it's a bit strange to hear people who aren't likely to have experienced racism or sexism say that they think the UK is a the most tolerant

Sorry but it’s true. I’m not from the UK and have lived in many countries over the years. I’d say America/Canada is the most tolerant, followed by the UK. Anywhere that has, until recently, been composed of mostly homogeneous people is relatively not tolerant in the same sense. That doesn’t make them racist, per say, but they simply don’t embrace foreigners in the way that happens here. We ‘foreigners’ understand our place and could never hope to become ‘locals’. They certainly never felt the need to be inclusive or representative.

I think it’s really sad that we are not allowed to hold different views from our friends and partners anymore. What happened to being able to have a bit of lively debate with your friends etc.
DH considers himself centre right. His best friend is a die hard lefty. They are constantly arguing on nights out etc. but it makes like more interesting doesn’t it?
DH is religious. I am not. We love each other all the same.

@Carycy

I think it’s really sad that we are not allowed to hold different views from our friends and partners anymore. What happened to being able to have a bit of lively debate with your friends etc. DH considers himself centre right. His best friend is a die hard lefty. They are constantly arguing on nights out etc. but it makes like more interesting doesn’t it? DH is religious. I am not. We love each other all the same.

What do you mean "we are not allowed to"? You've just described perfectly in your second paragraph why this declaration is nonsense.

I couldn't live with a Tory any more than I could live with someone who smokes in the house. That doesn't mean I want to cancel or no platform anyone.

@carycy if my mate is a racist, they're not my mate and I am on a very different wave length to them. If my mate denies white privilege and supports a white supremist, we have very different morals and beliefs and I'm not interested in them.

There is a HUGE difference between having a difference of opinion on religion than there is on racism.

Sorry I don’t know much the Lawrence fox stuff. I haven’t followed it. The op talks about political views. I just assumed he was a bit right wing.

It isn’t nonsense chic chic. I am talking about younger generations being unable to have meaningful debate without it turning nasty, about younger generations being unable to accept each other’s different political view points and still have friendships/ relationships. DH and his friends are all in their 40s.

When I dated it never occurred to me that it was important what someones politics were. Politics are politics. And your views can change with time dependent on your life experiences.

I think his stunning and brave comment to the UN Women account was because they are advocates of TWAW. At least that's usually why stunning and brave are used towards accounts that refuse to acknowledge sex when women ask for their support but then suddenly decide to use sex after all when it suits their agenda.

If the screenshots posted are from the manifesto then it feels more like a performance art piece. As a manifesto, it's laughable.

[quote LittleRa]@Fromage (sorry, quote feature not working for some reason)

I have lately been put off the gurnings and gaspings and am-drammery of eddie redmayne and daniel radcliffe. Not yet come across something with either if them in I would otherwise watch though.

Fair enough if you already don’t like that particular actor’s acting style. But the OP said she’d spotted a movie she fancied watching, but instead of just watching it decided to google the actor to find out their political views before she would watch it.

(I know my post has nothing to do with actual LF or BP I just found it an odd thing to do- does the OP research actors in any film she’s going to watch to find out whether she agrees/disagrees with their personal views?)[/quote]
It's not their acting style - I've been put off them recently due to their views on JKR.

And as I said, I've not recently come across something with them in that I want to watch anyway. So if something cropped up that looked good but one of them was in, would I watch? Dunno. Possibly not.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks, can I ask a couple if things about the pyramid? Can you explain what is meant by over-familiarisation with POC? I presume this doesn’t mean in the context of a personal relationship but I can’t work out what it does mean.

Also, the one bit of this I can never grasp (and I’m willing to accept that’s rooted in my white privilege) is the concept of cultural appropriation. Now I fully understand it in terms of corn rows etc or anything else like that which is indicative of a time of suppression and which is now worn by young black people as a way to reclaim it as it were. However, I struggle with the notion when people say you cannot use a baby name that’s origins are Hindi or Irish unless you have Indian or Irish roots. Likewise teenagers telling other teenagers that they’re guilty of CA for listening to ‘black’ music. Likewise, I didn’t really understand the backlash at Adele for draping a Jamaican flag around her for the Notting hill carnival celebrations. I’ve been and the party atmosphere was amazing but very much centred around Caribbean music and Caribbean food. So in that context, was she not just celebrating the vibe of the party? Or is the listening to the music and eating the food ok but wearing the flag not?

I am in no way being giddy. I’m genuinely interested because the CA part is the part I really struggle with (unless in the context of representing oppression as I said)
Thanks