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to not believe Trump has Covid?

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GeorgeDavidson · 02/10/2020 09:05

Well, MN, does he or doesn't he?

YANBU - no, he doesn't have it
YABU - yes he probably does, why would they lie?

Is this just some ploy to miss next debates and make him look 'tough' when he sails through it without getting ill?

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larrygrylls · 03/10/2020 05:57

When I pressed YABU, I thought it would be 96:4 or something like that. I cannot believe how many people think Trump could ever get away with it.

It would take his physician, his wife, his entire family plus everyone who sees him regularly as part of their work to also lie on his behalf.

In addition, as the BBC news said last night, Trump wanted the last month of campaigning to be anything but Corona. Instead, it is all about Corona.

In addition, Trump’s whole self image and the one he likes to project is a tough guy, not someone who is disabled by ‘the flu’.

It is incredibly hard, unless you are a recluse, to lie about your health. There is no way on earth that he does not have Corona.

Mumisnotmyonlyname · 03/10/2020 06:02

Well it's very curious that he's already breathless, and it isn't day 6 or anything near.

planplan · 03/10/2020 06:07

I think it's publicity for election sympathy vote.

derxa · 03/10/2020 06:16

@larrygrylls

When I pressed YABU, I thought it would be 96:4 or something like that. I cannot believe how many people think Trump could ever get away with it.

It would take his physician, his wife, his entire family plus everyone who sees him regularly as part of their work to also lie on his behalf.

In addition, as the BBC news said last night, Trump wanted the last month of campaigning to be anything but Corona. Instead, it is all about Corona.

In addition, Trump’s whole self image and the one he likes to project is a tough guy, not someone who is disabled by ‘the flu’.

It is incredibly hard, unless you are a recluse, to lie about your health. There is no way on earth that he does not have Corona.

There are many odd people on MN larry. I've only just realised how many.
MarshaBradyo · 03/10/2020 06:53

It’s not oddness of mn. More a person who makes it up continuously. And probably would like a conversation turn.

I don’t agree re Johnson however.

larrygrylls · 03/10/2020 06:56

Not sure whether it is MN or just a generation who prefer to get their news from social media (unreliable) than respected news sources.

Can you think of a single conspiracy theory which has proven to be true? I can’t.

Lex345 · 03/10/2020 06:59

Considering they think viral load may be an indicator of more serious disease, the number of people who have tested positive in his close vicinity in the WH in such a short space of time must be a concern.
I thought he looked frail when he left last night, he had the posture of someone who is very tired.
I do not like the man, I think he is highly dangerous and an awful president. But I hope he does not become seriously unwell and gets well soon. And then takes it seriously.

MarshaBradyo · 03/10/2020 07:00

Nope not from SM

He’s shown he’s someone who will say and do anything.

larrygrylls · 03/10/2020 07:05

Marsha,

But it is not just him saying it, it is his doctor, his press agent etc etc.

And he has now been pictured being airlifted to hospital.

Name me one conspiracy, accepted by the mainstream media and later proved to be a lie.

MarshaBradyo · 03/10/2020 07:12

Larry This is the only one I question. Because of his track record. He doesn’t have a history of telling the truth.

On R4 I recall a commentator talking about Biden being at a disadvantage because he plays by the rules but Trump will do the unexpected. The narrative is so firmly in his corner right now. I don’t think that is a bad thing for him.

It’s not really about corona on or off the agenda it’s all about Trump.

Why was he airlifted if he was mostly fine? It was 10 miles someone else posted. Seems good for optics as they US.

Tellmetruth4 · 03/10/2020 07:12

The Tuskegee trials and the MKUltra experiments were conspiracy theories proven to be true.

CherryValanc · 03/10/2020 07:13

I think it's likely he has caught Covid-19 (fairly astounding he hasn't already- but I think it's likely he lackadaisical attitude is just words, good change those near him are dipped in sanitiser and made to injecf bleach to protect him - ok maybe not the last one)

But that said, should it prove to be fake, I wouldn't be surprised.

I do however think that if it were a lie, he is so convinced he is a god, and all he has to do is say something and it's the truth, no matter what the evidence. This would mean if itself a lie, so he an get sympathy or avoid debates that he would be off playing golf. (And somehow, that would be proof he's ill.)

Have to say though, I'm cynical enough to feel the hospital admission is not needed. Ot at least if he were Joe Soap he wouldn't be admitted.

Like Johnson I think he's not going to be as ill as the published treatment suggests. I think Johnson was treated with oxygen far earlier than anyone in the UK was, or has been. (He want ventilated was he?)

To be honest, I just don't know with Trump. I could well believe if I heard he coughed once and his wife was be unable to take a deep breaths and he'd demanded every doctor in the USA comes and attends him and bypass her.

Tellmetruth4 · 03/10/2020 07:15

Trump has managed to move the narrative away from the revelations he’s a broke tax dodger and that Melania is a spoilt and nasty person (Christmas tapes which came out yesterday) off of the front page. It won’t work, many of us haven’t forgotten.

larrygrylls · 03/10/2020 07:17

Marsha,

He was probably airlifted because, for the POTUS, it is cheaper and less inconveniencing for everyone else.

A road trip would involve an entourage and road closures.

MarshaBradyo · 03/10/2020 07:19

Ok so not due to crisis of health but easier.

I don’t doubt he is in hospital. So a picture of that would be expected.

Tellmetruth4 · 03/10/2020 07:28

The timelines need to be looked at. I’ve read he gets tested everyday. How come he’s sick enough to be flown to hospital and given experimental treatments on the same day he tests positive?

If he has it he must’ve got it earlier but continued to campaign following a positive diagnosis putting lots of people in danger. Or he isn’t that sick but has gone to hospital for sympathy votes or to disarm critics.

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GeorgeDavidson · 03/10/2020 08:04

Well, he’s tweeted 3 times in 24 hours and the last one had grammar and sounded half sane, like something a normal person might write - I.e. not Trump.
So maybe he really is ill. Normally he’d be mouthing off about all random shite on Twitter and ending everything ‘sad!’

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FudgeBrownie2019 · 03/10/2020 08:09

I think since he's a proven liar that you'd be daft to imagine that this is exactly as it's said to be.

It's possible he's got it, it's possible he's far more unwell than anyone admits, it's also possible he's not got it but is going to magically reappear in a weeks time with no sign of breathlessness and debunk it as "nothing" and have the Americans thinking he's the portly version of Hercules for fighting it off.

Mittens030869 · 03/10/2020 08:26

I think there's no reason to think he doesn't have COVID, as others who were in the Rose Garden (a thoroughly irresponsible event) a week ago have tested positive.

Trump could become very ill with this. He's 74 and medically obese, two risk factors. But he'll be getting the best medical attention, unlike other Americans who can't afford it. I've had long Covid, so I don't wish it on anyone, but I have much more empathy for the 200k Americans who have died of this virus.

Once Trump has recovered, he will obviously blame China, especially if he ends up losing the election next month.

crankysaurus · 03/10/2020 08:27

You know what, ill or not, everyone's talking about him and that's just what he likes.

There was a fly on the wall documentary decades ago, one of the first, in a student house. Might have be been called Our House, and I have always recalled over if the students flouncing over the thought of being mediocre, as if this were the worst thing ever. That's the attitude I see with Trump, with Oscar Wilde's "only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about" also springing to mind.

Mittens030869 · 03/10/2020 08:29

I think he must've had it earlier, maybe he even had it during the debate on Wednesday. And that was hugely irresponsible.

PerkingFaintly · 03/10/2020 09:00

Goodness, yes, those Melania tapes!!

She's just so... whiny.

I didn't have a strong opinion about her before but now, ew! Doesn't sound exactly thrilled at having the opportunity to serve her adopted country, does she? Oh the horror of having to choose Christmas decorations! Poor lamb sounds exHAUSTed from running her finger down a catalogue. Her resentment floweth over.

I don't think the positive test result is a hoax, but the timing is good for the Republicans.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/10/2020 11:00

I think that at Fri 02-Oct-20 09:05:41 it was entirely reasonable to have one's doubts about whether the liar-in-chief was telling the truth for a change; there was plenty of reason to think it might but just one more damn lie.

Now, I think it is fair to accept that there would need to be a lot of liars and that he does have the disease.

Having the gut feeling that this can be viewed as poetic justice on a man who did very little for and quite a lot against others who had and have the disease may be ignoble, but it's utterly understandable.

Pumping your fist in the air and shouting "Yay!" is excessive, however, and all toasts should be drunk quietly.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/10/2020 11:03

A positive test does not mean that a person has the disease itself, after all; they may be asymptomatic. And on Friday all we had been told (by him) was that he had a positive test.

Mittens030869 · 03/10/2020 11:23

But he's now been taken to hospital, so he clearly does have the illness presumably. It doesn't mean that he's seriously ill, though, obviously, as I suspect they're taking him in as a precaution (as indeed was the case with Johnson initially).

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