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Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset right?

172 replies

flashbac · 29/09/2020 21:00

What do we reckon?

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DelilahfromDevon · 30/09/2020 15:07

Yes he will.
That’s after making sure he’s done enough bankrupting of the country with his ridiculous lockdowns.

longwayoff · 30/09/2020 15:10

That's the plan. How do you fancy Mr and Mrs Gove as PM and lady? Attractive, no?

IntermittentParps · 30/09/2020 15:15

Gove with Cummings pulling the strings
That'd be my vote too.

DGRossetti · 30/09/2020 15:16

@IntermittentParps

Gove with Cummings pulling the strings That'd be my vote too.
Dunno, I think "President Patel" has a ring about it.
VinylDetective · 30/09/2020 15:27

@IntermittentParps

Gove with Cummings pulling the strings That'd be my vote too.
Not going to happen. The PLP detests Cummings. He’s only got a job because Johnson and Gove refuse to get rid of him. Gove would dispense with him in a heartbeat if he interfered with his chances of the leadership, which he would. My money’s on Sunak, Tories know a vote winner when they see one.
DGRossetti · 30/09/2020 15:28

Tories know a vote winner when they see one.

Doesn't explain Hague and Howard ...

longwayoff · 30/09/2020 15:29

Oh, Rossetti, that's even worse and there was I thinking the Macbeth Goves topped the Halloween selection. You winGrin

ListeningQuietly · 30/09/2020 15:30

Maybe Jeremy Hunt would come back to sort out the mess he made of the NHS Wink

jasjas1973 · 30/09/2020 15:34

My money’s on Sunak, Tories know a vote winner when they see one

Only if he was unopposed and elected by MPs only, the party membership will not vote for a non white candidate.
Also, Sunak is popular because he is handing out money, that gloss will fade when he has to cut spending and increase taxes.

No, Johnson will stay, the unpopular press will soon revert to type if Labour get ahead of themselves.

VinylDetective · 30/09/2020 15:40

I can’t see Johnson staying, if he doesn’t resign he’ll be sacked. His much vaunted majority of MPs are increasingly unhappy with him now, as are the right wing press.

You’re right about Hague and Howard @DGRossetti, but they were leading the party against Blair and the party had run out of steam and ideas after 18 years in power.

DGRossetti · 30/09/2020 15:40

@longwayoff

Oh, Rossetti, that's even worse and there was I thinking the Macbeth Goves topped the Halloween selection. You winGrin
If we've learned one thing these past 5 years, it should be that no matter how bad we might imagine it's going to be, life has a way of doubling it and adding the number we first thought of.
OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 30/09/2020 15:44

@DGRossetti

Tories know a vote winner when they see one.

Doesn't explain Hague and Howard ...

Hague was the members choice. That and the disaster that was IDS go some way to explaining why the MPs chose Howard in 03 rather than let it go out to the wider party as they had in 97 and 01. They knew he'd be more acceptable to the wider public than whoever the party members picked, and MPs are usually less doctrinaire and more pragmatic than their parties as a whole.

Howard was the safest pair of hands available at that point. He wasn't a brilliant leader, but he also wasn't anywhere near as shit as his predecessors. The Tories made advances in vote share and seats in the 05 GE, the first time they'd managed that since 92. It's easy to forget what an absolutely irrelevant shitshow they were in opposition for the first few years of the Blair premiership. They were traumatised!

It's against this backdrop of Tory MPs historically being ruthless and pragmatic at picking the candidate who's more likely to appeal to the wider public that I think the comments about Sunak over Gove are being made. Clarke and Rifkind going on the telly in 2017 to fuck up Andrea Leadsom over May, who back then looked like the much more sensible of the two, is another example of that. As is booting Thatcher mercilessly when she became too toxic.

The way they've tended to behave over the last few decades, Tory MPs as a group, and as distinct from the party membership, would usually want the person more likely to appeal to the wider electorate. That's not Gove. He isn't winning an election. I'm not saying he won't spend any time at all as PM, but there is no way they're going to want to fight a GE with him at the helm if it can be avoided.

DGRossetti · 30/09/2020 15:47

That and the disaster that was IDS

It's telling I completely forgot IDS as Tory leader Grin

DGRossetti · 30/09/2020 15:54

I think the real reason was there is simply a rhythm to politics. 1997 was Labours time in exactly the same way it wasn't the Tories. After all 1997 saw a lot of people who were born in the mid 70s - and therefore seen well over a decade and a half of Tory rule - flood onto the electoral roll.

Sending the best and brightest we had to offer to their deaths twice in two generations might have really skewed the landscape of the survivors. Yes we did have some genuine heroes and geniuses (when we weren't chemically castrating them, that is). But we also managed to end up with the Z-list that survived.

I doubt much will be corrected until we have another war. Or maybe we are ? Only if we are it seems Covid is going to once again decimate the brightest and the best and further distil the remainder into a concentrated mediocrity so powerful it just takes one person on a committee and you have an instant clusterfuck.

Which probably explains Chris Grayling.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 30/09/2020 16:07

I think the real reason was there is simply a rhythm to politics. 1997 was Labours time in exactly the same way it wasn't the Tories.

Yes and no. The late 90s and early 00s were very much Labour's time, but that doesn't explain the Conservative membership choosing Hague and IDS over Ken Clarke twice. KC is very obviously someone with much wider appeal than either of those two. That level of idiocy was self-inflicted. There was no way they were winning an election for a good long while after 97, but they might not have stayed at sub 200 seats for 13 years if they hadn't responded to electoral annihilation by electing two absolute jokes.

And honestly, it's the reason why they're very careful about letting the membership choose the leader now. I was actually quite surprised the MPs didn't appoint Boris, given the wider appeal he had back in summer 2019, but I suppose the members love him so there was no real risk.

Hingeandbracket · 30/09/2020 16:21

Ken Clarke is (and was) too EU-friendly for a significant proportion of Tories beyond Westminster, that explains "two weeks to save the pound" Hague and his pal with the cough.

52andblue · 30/09/2020 16:57

@MoonJelly
yes, that makes perfect sense to me too - the long hand of Murdoch!

MoonJelly · 30/09/2020 17:16

Johnson certainly envisaged a relatively easy ride through to Brexit and basking in the approbation of the Mail, Sun and others to say nothing of all Farage's supporters. He simply never factored in having to do any other actual work, let alone all the work around the pandemic. I suspect he is currently absolutely hating being PM.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 30/09/2020 17:34

@Hingeandbracket

Ken Clarke is (and was) too EU-friendly for a significant proportion of Tories beyond Westminster, that explains "two weeks to save the pound" Hague and his pal with the cough.
Yeah absolutely. And he knows this. He's said himself he would have been leader at some point if he'd been willing to compromise his pro-EU views. It took an enormous amount of delusional self-sabotage for the membership to reject him twice.
ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN · 30/09/2020 19:15

I can see Priti Patel become leader of the party before Michael Gove or Rishi Sunak

Her back story, steely determination, ruthlessness all appealing to many voters.

And another female leader for the story party well they are more open to this than Labour.

Heffalooomia · 30/09/2020 20:52

I can see Priti Patel
please god no, she reminds me of this:

Justanotherlurker · 30/09/2020 21:03

Priti will do well, Rishi is the golden boy in the Tory party though, it will be difficult for Labour activists going forward though, , any critism of Abbot was deemed racist, and if Rishi becomes leader then it will be 2-0 to the tories on the idpol stack that they like to employ.

Pixxie7 · 30/09/2020 22:29

Anyone but Priti Patel it will end up as a police state and capital punishment will return.

ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN · 30/09/2020 23:06

A police state under the Tories - that goes against what the party stands for

Capital Punishment maybe

user1471565182 · 01/10/2020 07:26

why are we just ignoring the fact that the tory party is racist as fuck?

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