To miss E?

[CroutonCrab]

Might be all the stress in the world at the moment but it’s made me think about what I’d give for a couple of doves and the clammy hands that come with them. Don’t think my heart could take it now

@Rocknroller42
I guess it's 'cool' to reminisce about this sort of stuff. But this thread does seem to glorify it a bit which seems irresponsible and quite foolish. Would those harping on about the good old days be happy for their own teenage kids to get involved with drugs when it can end so badly?

I do wonder what I'm going to say to my children in this regard. I guess I'm going to be very disapproving of any drug use (although from my own experience and the numbers alcohol seems worse than E). With drugs there is of course the danger of being arrested and the consequences that flow from that. Alcohol doesn't have that danger, well except from the violence that often goes hand in hand with it. I would bet money nobody on an E ever stabbed anyone.

@DioneTheDiabolist
What is this?
That's the opposite of E which actually played a big part in the NI peace process

I had heard the use of E being linked to the end of football violence, can you explain about the peace in NI though?

I had some of the best and worst times of my life on E.

@Rocknroller42

I guess it's 'cool' to reminisce about this sort of stuff. But this thread does seem to glorify it a bit which seems irresponsible and quite foolish. Would those harping on about the good old days be happy for their own teenage kids to get involved with drugs when it can end so badly? One pill cut with something dodgy can potentially kill you.

I look back at some of the stuff I did in my youth which I was just drink fuelled and it makes me cringe. The embarrassing and dangerous situations I put myself in are not something I reminisce about fondly.

But each to their own...

I'd be happier if governments made it possible for all people to engage in substance use as safely as possible, regulating production and supply, setting and enforcing quality and safety standards, ensuring that people who use are not afraid to seek support in case of being treated as a criminal, taking the industry as far as possible out of the hands of organised crime and freeing up pressured CJS resources.

Interesting that the bad situations you reflect on you describe as 'drink fuelled'. Alcohol is dangerous like that. There is far more violence associated with alcohol use than use of E.

My partner and I used to drop MDMA mid-afternoon and wander beside the river, or through Richmond Park. Then we'd get home, do another dose and shag til we were sore and sleepy.

I'd love to do it again, but they can't handle the hangovers any more.

@Rocknroller42, I wasn't a teenager when I enjoyed Ecstasy and speed. My adult children do drugs, safely, occasionally and that's their business. My eldest did first try drugs as a teen, but I trusted who she was around. They don't go to Amsterdam three times a year to look at Tulips. All were into the dance scene. We've always been open about drugs and if things went wrong with their mates they'd always talk to me and get good advice/honesty back.

Whenever I sort through my wardrobe and find the odd £10 somewhere it takes me back to when I'd go through my jacket pockets and find the odd love heart, it was as exciting as Christmas morning.

How I miss the late 90s and early 2000s. This thread has made me feel nostalgic. Festivals like Glastonbury, Reading and Benicassim! I lived in a boring market town so as an older teenager would visit London or Birmingham to go clubbing and it was magical. Atomic Jam at the Q club, House of God at Subway City. Each night out was a whole adventure. I love my life now, but it doesn't have that carefree feel of endless possibilities that it used to!

I'd be happier if governments made it possible for all people to engage in substance use as safely as possible, regulating production and supply, setting and enforcing quality and safety standards,*

Ah yes! i'd drink to that!

One evening many years ago a mate of mine was in a fairly well known band, hansome sod! women would just jump into bed with him we felt that we'd just be thnakfull to have the ones that weren't good enough for the said l jammy sod.

He had this party and he made this coffe concoxtion it tasted rather like dope, anyway a while later the walls of the house started turning odd colours! self preservation instinct kicked in and i just managed to hit 999 for an ambulance and by the time it got there i was in a right old state. Ended up in hospital where i d behaved in a disgracegull mode tried to kiss the nurses and it all felt like a dream at one point i passed out well away with the fairies!

I remeber waking up and a west indian doctor there said ;

"Next time you smoke it right!, don't eat or drink it just smoke it! got that"!"

Never forgot that time i'd be mortified if my DD's did anythung like it!

I did find out that there were a few other casulites from the same party:(

@DioneTheDiabolist

Might as well reminiscence of good ol' days of stabbing and robbing.

That's the opposite of E which actually played a big part in the NI peace process. YANBU OP, I think the UK could do with a therapeutic dose in the water supply atm.🤔

My DH actually said that the warehouse scene and E in 87/8/9 was what stopped a lot of the inter estate kick offs in South East London. He said Bermondsey versus Camberwell ended due to them all hugging and raving whilst twatted on really good E. Fighting didn't matter anymore.

Reading this thread I feel like I’ve lived a sheltered life! Only ever done weed - way too scared to do anything else.

[quote KenDodd]**@Rocknroller42
I guess it's 'cool' to reminisce about this sort of stuff. But this thread does seem to glorify it a bit which seems irresponsible and quite foolish. Would those harping on about the good old days be happy for their own teenage kids to get involved with drugs when it can end so badly?

I do wonder what I'm going to say to my children in this regard. I guess I'm going to be very disapproving of any drug use (although from my own experience and the numbers alcohol seems worse than E). With drugs there is of course the danger of being arrested and the consequences that flow from that. Alcohol doesn't have that danger, well except from the violence that often goes hand in hand with it. I would bet money nobody on an E ever stabbed anyone.

@DioneTheDiabolist
What is this?
That's the opposite of E which actually played a big part in the NI peace process

I had heard the use of E being linked to the end of football violence, can you explain about the peace in NI though?[/quote]
I've had the drug talk with DD, because that was their science and PSHE topic. She had a quiz on substances which I helped with and she gave me serious side eye due to my knowledge
I think she sees me as Mum, the boring nerd.
Will I ever tell her about my naughty days? Yes and no. I've never directly admitted taking anything, but I have said about some of the shenanigans my mates and I got up to back in my teens.
If they asked though, I think I would be honest.

@HeyDuggeeWhatYaDoin

I can’t stop laughing hahahaha, love a good mitzi

Oh they were fun lol

@KenDodd, by the late 80s NI was very segregated, not just the schools but pubs, clu and residential areas. Sectarian violence was rife and there were organised fights between both sides. The rave scene wasn't that big in Belfast. The best clubs were in Portrush and Banbridge. The raves, as well as the buses home brought people together. People who would have feared the other side came together, friendships and romances happened. By the time of the referendum in 98 many people recognised that the threat was paramilitaries, not eachother and this helped the result.

We had some very dark times in the 90s but rave and E culture ensured that, for a segment of society, integration continued and love won the day.

Like this you mean? .....

There’s a brilliant book coming out soon, set in 90s trance (London) clubbing scene - it’s aimed at older young adults (lots of drugs, some sex). Everyone who’s read a bit so far has become seriously nostalgic.

British Soldiers given a pokey dose of pure LSD. Genuine footage of genuine drug.

Very funny in places.

Re Army tests...LSD stopped men from wanting to fight.

[quote DioneTheDiabolist]@KenDodd, by the late 80s NI was very segregated, not just the schools but pubs, clu and residential areas. Sectarian violence was rife and there were organised fights between both sides. The rave scene wasn't that big in Belfast. The best clubs were in Portrush and Banbridge. The raves, as well as the buses home brought people together. People who would have feared the other side came together, friendships and romances happened. By the time of the referendum in 98 many people recognised that the threat was paramilitaries, not eachother and this helped the result.

We had some very dark times in the 90s but rave and E culture ensured that, for a segment of society, integration continued and love won the day.[/quote]
That is so good. Empathogenic drugs. Unlike booze.

@ylfa what's the book?

I had a fab time early to mid 90s at the Zap, Club Uk, Sterns and one in an old mansion near Ringwood and a few others I can't remember. Married a guy I met there although he preferred Skid Row and Return to the Source - Trance and still does, have kids who are now adults almost. Happy days -occasionally reliving the dancing in my kitchen. Discovered iris Elda in Amsterdam on YouTube which is totally the music I loved. We're early 50s now. In fact he said to me the other day did I fancy a weekend in Netherlands on a trance weekender.

@ylfa yes, please tell us the name/author of the book. Disco Biscuits is a good anthology of acid house stories - might dig it out later.

I appreciate the fact that drugs are illegal, potentially dangerous (regulation?) and fund crime - all reasons why I don't take them anymore. But my god, the love and connections you make on pills (relationships and friendships that have stood the test of time, even without the help of mind altering substances) are GOLD.

There has been quite a bit of study recently into the treatment of PTSD recently, it's still ongoing, something that I've suffered from for some years now. I'd be very interested in its therapeutic uses, but won't be testing that by self medicating any time soon (as much as I'd love to).

It was due to published Jan 21st 2021 but likely to be earlier, I’ll definitely pop back with details and a link when there is one because some of you sound like you’d love it!

ylfa bet the publishers didn’t expect mumsnet to be a target for advertising!

😂 have you heard of astroturfing? I’m not doing that obviously

@CroutonCrab

ylfa bet the publishers didn’t expect mumsnet to be a target for advertising!

😂

m.youtube.com/watch?v=5D1gJ_GygAI

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