To miss E?

[CroutonCrab]

Might be all the stress in the world at the moment but it’s made me think about what I’d give for a couple of doves and the clammy hands that come with them. Don’t think my heart could take it now

YANBU!!! Some of the best nights of my life in Fabric, sitting on the stairs with strangers chatting and gurning. Also global gathering, dancing for hours up to my knees in mud. No wellies, obvz they were long gone in the sea of mud. Oh to be young and coming up again! Great thread.

I think every generation has the feeling that they lived a great time. Imagine being around in the 60s for Beatles , 70s Rolling Stones and myself in the 80s with all the new synthesizers stuff.
It is all about the freedom of youth , the thought that anything is possible and the camaraderie of going through the same things.
Drugs were incidental , if you couldn't get hold of any , you still had a good time. But better with . I think that is what is missing in drug education . We need to acknowledge that drugs can be SO much fun too. Otherwise, you lose credibility. The problem is the possibility of having a really bad time and addiction issues. And the horrible reality of the whole drug trade.

@Hairychinchin

Cannabis has a huge effect on people. The people taking the cannabis never see the effect on themselves though.

But you can say the same of alcoholics. They also don't see the damage they are doing to themselves and others, and because the attitude in this country is "it's only booze" it's OK. By definition, the English are kind of celebrated pissheads. But this causes so much issue to funding in the NHS due to the damage they do to themselves. I think we contradict ourselves so much, in that you can buy fags and booze with no aggro but you can kill yourself with these and cause a strain on the NHS, drink driving kills people. As someone who was at a party where a drunk mate turned on another drunk mate over the stupidest thing, which ended in one stabbing the other to death, I find it very ironic the government allows drinking and smoking as they earn tax from both, but cannabis is bad and evil because they don't warn tax off it.

I would like it if cannabis was legalised, nothing has ever sorted my arthritis and pcos pain as well but I'm not using it because it's illegal and I don't want to have to revisit my teens in dodgy back alleyways and flats to procure it.

Re pills..The Dutch have it right..Pill testing.

There is all sorts of rubbish put in them, I think in the past they were purer than now. PMA is no fun, and is toxic. E not nearly so.

You cannot tell by looks or taste , hence the drug testing done in more liberal countries like Holland.

www.release.org.uk/blog/uk-pma-deaths-case-drug-testing-and-push-drug-policy-reform

PS What in the heck is ''Cake''??

Never heard of it.

Unless it is the stuff sold by bakers, and it can't be that.

LOL! re Cake

Oh shit is Cake going round again? I think I saw a report on it by Patrick O’hanarahanrhanrahan

Well done oakleaffy. Never gets old. Custard gannets...

How weird, I spent a lot of my weekend in the kitchen baking and faffing about with 90s playlists on and more than once lost myself in the music and felt almost high again... and was telling DH how much I would love to be out and on it just once more. The days of everyone loving the fuck out of each other and feeling such euphoric pleasure in the moment were great.

@CorianderLord I know, and I could probably find out about them fairly easily but I don’t fancy explaining to my boss why I got arrested at an illegal rave!

For those saying that taking drugs is to forget the harm the trade causes, I don’t disagree. I’m aware of my own hypocrisy for not exactly having been an angel on that front in the past, but I’ve been onto the local police lately because of the anti social behaviour that’s going on in our street which is caused by dealers. We might have known more middle class dealers, who weren’t having fights and threatening people with knives, but they’re all part of the same chain.

Which is exactly why drugs need to be legalised and regulated. If you take it away from the criminals, you take away the crime. But no politician on earth will grab that third rail because of the pearl-clutching moralising and hysteria around drugs.

LSD / MDMA have both been shown to have therapeutical benefits to people with anxiety / depression when taken in controlled doses. I imagine one day in the near future that LSD and virtual reality will merge as a psychological therapy.

MDMA is apparently popular with older people the retired having a dabble.
Put it on a bucket list for retirement fun.

People, please. Cake is a made-up drug. It's made from chemicals by sick bastards. Also known as Basildon Puke Plates (rhyming slang with Basildon Bond, the paper).

Source: Free the United Kingdom from Drugs/British Opposition to Metabolically Bi-sturbial Drugs.)

Never did it althoigh i'm of that age.

These days I already have more than enough oxytoxcin flying around what with my kids and a hundred "I luv yous" a day.

And seeing my crush most days, but that's a different configuration entirely!

@ChelseeDagger

Pass me a couple of mitzis while you're back there OP.

I wanna run away to 1999.

I'm coming with you!

@BringMeTea

Well done oakleaffy. Never gets old. Custard gannets...

Custard Gannets- 😂brass eye was superb but missed this one

For a truly horrendous real drug look up Krokodil.

So upsetting. Has to be worst drug ever

^Reported health hazards due to krokodil injection use include:

blood vessel damage (thrombophlebitis)
open ulcers, gangrene
skin and soft tissue infections
need for skin grafts and surgery
limb amputations
pneumonia
blood poisoning (bacteremia)
meningitis
rotting gums or tooth loss
blood-borne virus transmission (such as HIV and HCV due to needle sharing)
bone infections (osteomyelitis) and osteonecrosis
speech and motor skills impairment
memory loss and impaired concentration
liver and kidney damage
overdose
powerful respiratory depressant effect (slowed or stopped breathing)
death.^

Jesus H.

It's fair to say that E is unlikely to do anything like that to you.

It’s the videos that go with Krokodil that are horrendous. All due to Russia’s banning of methadone.
It has to be the worst drug ever made of red phosphorus from matchbox strike strips and codeine.

Legalisation would be the way to go.
U.K. had NO drug problems when drugs were legally prescribed.

Bing Spear from Home Office prophesised doom if we followed USA in making heroin and cocaine criminal rather than medical.

How true.
Even LSD was legal then.

@thedancingbear
Pure MDMA is quite benign according to professor Nutt.
He caused apoplexy by saying it was no worse than horse riding addiction in terms of risk.

Of course no govt will allow legalisation due to pearl clutches.

Cannabis really ought to be legalised- a forum I’m 2012 had dealers saying they dreaded legalisation in their states, as would affect profits.

The criminal side is not good. Heroin/crack and spice are very problematic. Spice in jails is a big problem so say.

I’ve never even smoked a cigarette.
I’m not really that way inclined, but it certainly wasn’t helped by a A level classmate (1992) dying after taking E at a rave - I remember the empty space and our (male) teacher crying as he told the class, for those who didn’t already know

Deaths from drugs are always far more likely if illegal.
The last Free Party I went to was when a very young girl, 16, was so out of it that she kept falling into a fire made of pallets.
I hauled her out three times, and she was in a dreadful state.
I asked to borrow a mobile phone- in those days only dealers seemed to have them- and was told in no uncertain terms not to call an ambulance as “ the pigs” would turn up.

Another woman helped to drag her - vomiting and moaning- to a Van.
No one would take her to casualty.
NYE.

As the drugs wore off -ketamine and booze- she began to moan louder.
Free parties are all gangsta til people start needing medical help.

Never went to another after that.
It was traumatising to witness the lack of care and abject disgust some of the men had for her.

Might as well reminiscence of good ol' days of stabbing and robbing.

That's the opposite of E which actually played a big part in the NI peace process. YANBU OP, I think the UK could do with a therapeutic dose in the water supply atm.🤔

I guess it's 'cool' to reminisce about this sort of stuff. But this thread does seem to glorify it a bit which seems irresponsible and quite foolish. Would those harping on about the good old days be happy for their own teenage kids to get involved with drugs when it can end so badly? One pill cut with something dodgy can potentially kill you.

I look back at some of the stuff I did in my youth which I was just drink fuelled and it makes me cringe. The embarrassing and dangerous situations I put myself in are not something I reminisce about fondly.

But each to their own...

That's the opposite of E which actually played a big part in the NI peace process.wink YANBU OP, I think the UK could do with a therapeutic dose in the water supply atm.🤔

I don't know about the NI police process but a lot of people who were there at the time credited it with knocking the stilts from under the 80's football hooligan scene. It's hard to want to nut someone and hug them at the same time.