aibu to feel heartbroken by our Conservative govt -

[fuschia2000]

their ineptitude during covid19 costing many thousands of lives... their corruption privatisation of health service appointing cronies in top jobs at bbc defunding of education health transport over past decade their living parallel lives with private education, private health, private travel, multiple homes.... their arrogance and lack of decency is heartbreaking breathtaking and they have 80 seat majority with many years before general election....

@spikeybaby

Exactly!! But you're told off for saying you tried to vote for what you thought would help others, because then we think they are 'lesser beings' who can't decide for themselves.

Then if you say 'fuck the situation then', as I have, that's awful too, because you should care about people.

Anyone would think the educated middle class are the root of all social problems.

Olympic I haven't read the full thread but it made me happy to see your posts you've described exactly how I feel about things.
Nib -thinking someone could only vote differently to you because they are lacking?? Can you see how dangerous it could be to view millions of people this way?

@Hingeandbracket There's a difference between being bound by something and being responsible for something.

Posters earlier have suggested we are all to blame for the current political situation. I simply do not think that is true.

There's a difference in being 100% to blame for the current situation & just acknowledging that the kind of attitudes discussed here might be one of (potentially many) reasons so many voted the way they did. So no, not to blame but also not completely blameless.

And I am one of those not completely blameless labour / remainers who just failed to understand what I was doing in the run up to Brexit.

@Shepherdspyreads

Olympic I haven't read the full thread but it made me happy to see your posts you've described exactly how I feel about things. Nib -thinking someone could only vote differently to you because they are lacking?? Can you see how dangerous it could be to view millions of people this way?

No, I just have a problem with the ones who (quite joyfully) champion Farage and Trump and vote Tory as the closest thing they see as a way forward down that road.

I read it as you classing all conservative voters that way. Apologies if I misunderstood.

I don’t think that about all Conservative voters though it is kind of tempting

I do wonder why some people vote conservative when their policies harm their stated interests so much. But there is little you can do about it.

Labour don't need all conservatives to switch, just enough, so any who are died in the wool are just best ignored.

Politics isn't about winning every argument, just about winning the election. Hopefully Starmer can focus on that.

Btw, not a conservative fan, opted not to vote. I believe that who is in power doesn't make much of a difference.

Tbh, this crap right here is the problem.

I voted Conservative and Leave and would do both again.
Nobody could have predicted Covid and the effect it would have. A Labour Government would have fared no better with this virus.

@yellowspanner

I voted Conservative and Leave and would do both again. Nobody could have predicted Covid and the effect it would have. A Labour Government would have fared no better with this virus.

How do you feel about the Kent Access Pass ?

@yellowspanner

I voted Conservative and Leave and would do both again. Nobody could have predicted Covid and the effect it would have. A Labour Government would have fared no better with this virus.

On this I disagree. The right of the Tory party are pulling Johnson's chain a lot now.

Some of the biggest fuck ups have been:

• Cheltenham - done for the benefit of business and a Tory peer (Harding)
• testing contract to private businesses with no experience
• no border control done to benefit airlines
• refusal to speak to teaching unions
• failure to understand social care risks

Etc etc.

I can not see how Labour would have done these things so badly given their connections and priorities differ so widely.

Seems like a good idea to me;

"How will the permits work?"
"Not many details have been confirmed about the Kent access permit (KAP) but we know it will essentially act as a special HGV passport."

"This would only be issued to drivers who have already completed their paperwork before travelling to Kent to cross the channel."

"The idea is that it would prevent those who do not have the correct paperwork from travelling to the port and clogging up the Channel crossings."

"As Mr Gove suggested, electronic systems and police intervention would be in place to turn away anyone without the correct paperwork before they reached the port to avoid queues throughout Kent."

"This would apply from 1 January, after the end of the transitional period, but would not apply to regular traffic, just HGVs."

Nobody could have predicted Covid and the effect it would have

A pandemic has literally been top of the 'things that will fuck the country' list for years. It's just that it's been ignored for years too.

Hahaha the Kent access permit is ridiculous! They've made tits of themselves having to do that

Cheltenham - done for the benefit of business and a Tory peer (Harding)

"academics at the University of Gloucestershire's Centre of Contemporary Accounting Research estimate that the four days of racing brings more than £100m to the Gloucestershire economy."

[quote luckylavender]@Babdoc - putting aside the fact that 'Labour would have been worse' is an unprovable & rather a playground argument, why mention Diane Abbott? Because she's not financially capable, because of one interview. Educate yourself on what she's achieved (it's remarkable) & the daily abuse she gets & then ask yourself if, had she become Home Secretary (the job she would have got) she could do better than Priti Patel, a woman who currently isn't fit to lace her boots. For the record in case you think I'm a rabid Corbynite, I'm not & I'm glad he's gone. But by goodness this Johnson administration us an incompetent inept shambles. [/quote]
I have been listening to Diane for many years. I can only think of one thing she's ever said that I agree with when she was speaking in the defence of Julian Assange.

All goods vehicles over 12 tonnes will require a new permit to drive into Greater London soon - not far removed from the Kent access permit;

"The Direct Vision Standard (DVS) is the first legislation of its kind. From 26th October 2020, ALL goods vehicles over 12 tonnes will require a permit to drive into Greater London, including vehicles from outside of the UK."

@Clavinova

Cheltenham - done for the benefit of business and a Tory peer (Harding)

"academics at the University of Gloucestershire's Centre of Contemporary Accounting Research estimate that the four days of racing brings more than £100m to the Gloucestershire economy."

And a cluster of cases, and deaths.

@Clavinova

Cheltenham - done for the benefit of business and a Tory peer (Harding)

"academics at the University of Gloucestershire's Centre of Contemporary Accounting Research estimate that the four days of racing brings more than £100m to the Gloucestershire economy."

my maths isn't very good (despite going to the same school as Rishi)

What does that work out to per life ?

[quote Yorkshirelass04]@Hingeandbracket There's a difference between being bound by something and being responsible for something.

Posters earlier have suggested we are all to blame for the current political situation. I simply do not think that is true. [/quote]
Up to a point we are.

We persist in having an antiquated voting system (FPTP).

I personally think it's quite likely that the referendum would never have happened if we'd had PR.

And a cluster of cases, and deaths.

Has that been proven or just anecdotal?

"Dr Tony Holohan, a more objective expert as Ireland's chief medical officer, has said there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest a link between people who were at the festival and cases or clusters of the coronavirus."

www.racingpost.com/news/fact-check-did-the-festival-increase-cases-of-coronavirus/432186

Nothing in the OP surprises me. Yes, the Tories are deeply unpleasant, but to be fair, they don’t really pretend to be anything else. Many of their actions are carried out in plain sight.

However, I was surprised by the furlough scheme and the suspension of evictions. Those are very UnTory policies. I’m not optimistic for the future, though.

@bp300 - at no point did I say I agree with her