aibu to feel heartbroken by our Conservative govt -

[fuschia2000]

their ineptitude during covid19 costing many thousands of lives... their corruption privatisation of health service appointing cronies in top jobs at bbc defunding of education health transport over past decade their living parallel lives with private education, private health, private travel, multiple homes.... their arrogance and lack of decency is heartbreaking breathtaking and they have 80 seat majority with many years before general election....

No fan of Abbott at all / but it’s worth remembering that Cummings has barred Tory ministers from appearing on TV to be scrutinised, Boris Johnson wouldn’t pitch himself in debate on TV even during the election and when he’s been asked to speak he’s managed to spout nonsense that ensured one woman’s internment in an Iranian prison, and many ethnic minorities insulted! Condemn him for that.

@awaynboilyurheid

I'm no SNP voter but Nicola Sturgeon has handled the crisis so much better, daily briefings to tell us what is happening and why. Mistakes were made at the beginning and they owned up to them . She has been measured and calm I don't believe in Independence at all and could not vote for her party but she has done her very best to keep us informed of why difficult decisions are being taken in a momentously difficult situation. Not changing on a whim and saying one thing quickly followed by the very opposite.

Also, Nicola Sturgeon's rhetoric on people not self isolating when they should is about removing barriers to compliance and supporting people to do the right thing. Boris' approach is all about hard line enforcement

At least when Diane Abbot says numbers they are actual numbers not made up ones like Priti Patel.

@hingeandbracket

No it's not like that. I am just exhausted trying to make Britain a fairer place, vote Labour, volunteer, support refugees, fight tooth and nail against Brexit, listen to all the media, deal with the fallout at work etc etc

What am I supposed to do??

You wanted fucking Brexit and a Tory government, you fucking have it. Bring on the revolution. A revolution it will take.

I literally owe nobody else more of my time and emotion at this point.

You may not agree with my emotions but here they are.

Stop making me out to be the bad person.

StoneofDestiny
a paid up member of The Bullingdon Club, notorious for their thuggish hooliganism, that if they were not the sons on the privileged would have put them in borstal or with a tag on.

The co-founder of Ocado and the current CEO of Boots (pharmacy) were also members of the Bullingdon Club - are you advocating a boycott of those businesses?

Not heartbroken but thoroughly disappointed...

It’s a shame Jeremy Hunt didn’t win the leadership campaign.

Jeremy Hunt was a member of the Bullingdon Club as well - you can tell he was a hooligan just by looking at him.

The whole sanctimonious, “well we tried to do what’s best for you lesser people but you don’t know whats good for you as you didn’t agree with me so you can all suffer” is EXACTLY the attitude that has created huge political exclusion within the working classes. So self assured are you in your own world view as you mock people who voted differently, using words like ‘sovrinteeee’ to take the piss out of those who felt so unconnected, so disillusioned and disenfranchised that they either didn’t bother to vote for labour or have been swept up by right wing or even extremist groups (which are on the rise.)

The collective sneering at people who you have absolutely no understanding of is actually a huge part of the problem. But of course, it’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it? ‘Other people’ are just too ‘thick’ too ‘uneducated’ aren’t they?

The right blames the left, the left blames the right. Everybody has a part to play. Bitterness and an unwillingness to understand one another with the attitude of ‘well I’m so clever and right so everyone else can just suffer’ is fertile ground for much worse to come.

A couple of people have said they were ok voting Tory even though they know Johnson is a racist.

That makes you racists yourselves and I’m pretty shocked at how open you are about it.

This country is fucked, on so many different levels.

[quote Yorkshirelass04]@hingeandbracket

No it's not like that. I am just exhausted trying to make Britain a fairer place, vote Labour, volunteer, support refugees, fight tooth and nail against Brexit, listen to all the media, deal with the fallout at work etc etc

What am I supposed to do??

You wanted fucking Brexit and a Tory government, you fucking have it. Bring on the revolution. A revolution it will take.

I literally owe nobody else more of my time and emotion at this point.

You may not agree with my emotions but here they are.

Stop making me out to be the bad person. [/quote]
I didn't (and have never) voted Tory.
The trouble with people who want to do things like "fight tooth and nail against Brexit" is that you can't really.
At some point you have to accept some people had a different opinion.
As for Tories - I agree the Tory government is damaging - but I have to accept they are damaging things that I care about, and perhaps the people who voted for them don't. I had this experience throughout the Thatcher/Major years and many of their apologists still cite those as some sort of glory years. They were not for me and I think we lost a lot in that time, but I have had to learn to accept not everyone agrees with me.

@OlympicProcrastinator

The whole sanctimonious, “well we tried to do what’s best for you lesser people but you don’t know whats good for you as you didn’t agree with me so you can all suffer” is EXACTLY the attitude that has created huge political exclusion within the working classes. So self assured are you in your own world view as you mock people who voted differently, using words like ‘sovrinteeee’ to take the piss out of those who felt so unconnected, so disillusioned and disenfranchised that they either didn’t bother to vote for labour or have been swept up by right wing or even extremist groups (which are on the rise.)

The collective sneering at people who you have absolutely no understanding of is actually a huge part of the problem. But of course, it’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it? ‘Other people’ are just too ‘thick’ too ‘uneducated’ aren’t they?

The right blames the left, the left blames the right. Everybody has a part to play. Bitterness and an unwillingness to understand one another with the attitude of ‘well I’m so clever and right so everyone else can just suffer’ is fertile ground for much worse to come.

I could not agree with this more! Bravo 👏🏼

The co-founder of Ocado and the current CEO of Boots (pharmacy) were also members of the Bullingdon Club - are you advocating a boycott of those businesses?

They haven’t asked for my vote nor are they running the country I live in (into the ground).

@Hingeandbracket Then this is me accepting that a lot of people have a different opinion. As in; I don't care anymore what happens.

Of course I would love it to be all fine and dandy after Brexit, and for the streets to be paved with gold, but my belief is it will get worse. The lesser off people will suffer.

It's interesting that people who are better off caring about the poorer in society is seen as condescending. To me - it's the epitome of selfish to only vote for your own interests. I thought I'd done the right thing in voting against Brexit and for Labour to protect those worse off than I. Was that a mistake?

When I comes to education, it's also interesting that people equate working class to less educated, as I don't. I do class myself as educated and I read voraciously, therefore I do believe my opinion is more informed than people who don't. This isn't a relativist subject.

I read voraciously, therefore I do believe my opinion is more informed than people who don't. This isn't a relativist subject

And therin lies the problem. Peoples lived experiences are no less valuable and books are primarily written by others outside those groups. The media and arts are dominated by middle class voices.

Of course there are plenty of working class people who have education to a high level but generally, their voices are excluded from the mainstream and their experiences ignored.

YABU if you expected anything better from them. Those of us who didn’t vote for them knew they’d be absolutely useless.

[quote Yorkshirelass04]@Hingeandbracket Then this is me accepting that a lot of people have a different opinion. As in; I don't care anymore what happens.

Of course I would love it to be all fine and dandy after Brexit, and for the streets to be paved with gold, but my belief is it will get worse. The lesser off people will suffer.

It's interesting that people who are better off caring about the poorer in society is seen as condescending. To me - it's the epitome of selfish to only vote for your own interests. I thought I'd done the right thing in voting against Brexit and for Labour to protect those worse off than I. Was that a mistake?

When I comes to education, it's also interesting that people equate working class to less educated, as I don't. I do class myself as educated and I read voraciously, therefore I do believe my opinion is more informed than people who don't. This isn't a relativist subject. [/quote]
You seem to be projecting and extrapolating a huge amount of stuff.
My quibble with your original post was that you seemed to be revelling in the idea of people suffering - as they were the "wrong" people - i.e. people who voted for stuff you didn't. That is all.
I don't wish the country to be totally ruined just to teach the Tories a lesson - nor do I feel they would be likely to "learn" that lesson.

Yorkshirelass
Some might realise there's no food and no housing and no jobs and the EU subsidies might just have helped them. E.g. Grimsby. It's not my job to convince people worse off than me not to make stupid political choices that will serve to harm them.

March 2020 -
"Grimsby will receive over £3.5m of Government funding, including £2.2m of new investment for the next phase of its landmark Town Deal."

"In addition, the Humber Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) has awarded £1.3m, provided through the Government’s local growth fund program."

"The investment brings the total commitment of public and private funding to over £90m to deliver targets of over 8,000 new jobs and nearly 10,000 new homes in Grimsby through the UK’s first Town Deal."

www.gov.uk/government/news/grimsby-town-centre-receives-multi-million-pound-regeneration-boost

July 2020 "A major regeneration project on Grimsby Docks has received a huge boost with the award of grants worth more than £1 million."

www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/smoking-1m-grants-success-focal-18534888

@OlympicProcrastinator I am never going to apologise for being angry about the monumental shitshow we've ended up in because people believed the lies fed to them by Johnson, Gove, Farage et al.

If this was 24th June 2016 you might have a point about disillusionment. But it's not, we're more than 4 years on and the papers and the govt are still spinning the same old semi-fascist bullshit. So, yes, I do have a problem with people who are still lapping it up. We've destroyed the fucking country to keep them happy and indulge their misguided fantasies.

I'm sick and tired of being told I have to 'understand' them, and 'listen' to them. I've been listening to fuck-all else for 4 years now. And I'm sick of it.

@clavinova I'm pleased they've got a few million injection into Grimsby as at one point they were asking for a 'special deal' exempt from the Brexit they had voted for.

August 2019;
"Schools in England are being promised billions more in spending over the next three years, in an announcement from Prime Minister Boris Johnson."

"Next year schools will receive a £2.6bn uplift, rising to £4.8bn the following year - with schools spending £7.1bn more than at present by 2022-23."

"the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) says the funding increase should be enough to restore school spending to pre-austerity levels."

"The independent financial think tank said the £7.1bn increase, promised in three years, will be sufficient to reverse cuts to schools of 8% over the past decade."

"This package represents a large increase in spending per pupil, taking it back to about the same level it was in 2009-10," said Luke Sibieta, a research fellow at the IFS."

"It is also on top of an extra £1.5bn per year to cover rises in teachers' pension costs."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49515002

It's not my job to convince people worse off than me not to make stupid political choices that will serve to harm them

No it’s the politicians. But if you are supporting political parties that exclude and ignore entire swathes of people and you don’t know enough about those people to know what THEY say they need then I believe you are part of the problem.

So many times but investments have been made with the idea of ‘regeneration’ but those decisions are not made at local level, have little input from those most in need and tend to benefit more affluent people. How do any of you voting for ‘those in more need than me’ actually know what ‘those’ people want? Where are you listening to there voices? Books? The news?

@olympicprocrastinator

I disagree. Brexit was never something the average person should have been allowed to vote on. Not everyone's an expert and there is value in being educated. I'm sick of having to listen to people saying that everyone's opinion is equal on this matter - it isn't.

If people want to vote Tory that's up to them I'm but I maintain they are delusional if they think the party cares for little people.

I'm sick and tired of being told I have to 'understand' them, and 'listen' to them. I've been listening to fuck-all else for 4 years now. And I'm sick of it.

I doubt it. You’ve been listening to media. I doubt many people on here understand the people who are being caught up by right wing extremism or understand at all.

Then again. It’s not your job so.

@olympicprocrastinator Are you saying voting Labour was the wrong choice to support ordinary people?

[quote Yorkshirelass04]@olympicprocrastinator

I disagree. Brexit was never something the average person should have been allowed to vote on. Not everyone's an expert and there is value in being educated. I'm sick of having to listen to people saying that everyone's opinion is equal on this matter - it isn't.

If people want to vote Tory that's up to them I'm but I maintain they are delusional if they think the party cares for little people. [/quote]
All this boils down to is that you think anyone who disagrees with you (and isn't in your tribe) is a lesser person. Doesn't deserve to be listened to. Doesn't deserve understanding or empathy. Only deserves hardship and hatred.
You claim to read so much and be highly educated and yet you're completely ignorant to how this attitude has played out time and time again throughout human history.