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Another ‘He hasn’t proposed’ thread...

471 replies

MangoMarmalade · 25/09/2020 10:58

Long story short:
We have three kids (older two not his, younger is one year old).
I have made no secret of desire to get married for multiple reasons. Had the ‘one day, let me ask you, it’s tradition’ promises from him.
I have an asset, he has none.
He works full time, I don’t have a career and don’t currently work at all.
When youngest was born I wanted to give my surname as he hadn’t wanted to get married yet. He was adamant that no, baby would have his surname and promised to propose within the year, be married within two.
Hasn’t happened. Last time we spoke about it he made the comment ‘but when our youngest is much older then we can have honeymoon’ etc he has wanted to have another baby, I said not without a ring on my finger and he was all ‘so you’d refuse to have another baby just for a bit of paper!’
Basically reveals he has no intention of fulfilling his promise of asking me any time soon.

AIBU to leave the relationship?

OP posts:
MH1111 · 25/09/2020 14:51

Marriage is the worst financial decision you can make if you have the house and he’s doesn’t.

Marriage is an outdated religious construct that facilitates both mental and physical abuse, it was created when we thought the earth was flat and we could cure diseases with spells!

EmbarrassingMama · 25/09/2020 14:57

It’s your house. I wouldn’t be in a hurry to sign that over...

Luxembourgmama · 25/09/2020 14:58

Stay for the kid but make super sure the house is only yours and he never gets his shitty lying paws on it

Berthatydfil · 25/09/2020 14:58

Omg do not marry him. If you do and the HMRC come after his assets they might take half your house against his tax debts.

TempestHayes · 25/09/2020 15:07

If you marry him you could be forced to split your asset. (Possibly. As you acquired it before the marriage, possibly not. Look into it.)

You don't work and so are lacking in any protection if he decides to up and leave you.

You're also not his next of kin, nor he yours, which could be fun, nor will either of you automatically inherit from the other. Make wills.

Beyond that he's not interested in marriage and doesn't have to, as he's already gotten his demands - a child from you, with his surname. To him it's a "bit of paper" and he likely has no intention of marrying at all.

DianaT1969 · 25/09/2020 15:21

You inadvertently dodged a bullet. You believe his assurances that he won't claim part of the house, yet his assurances about marrying you were lies?

You would have happily hitched yourself financially to somebody in debt to HMRC and who is avoiding tackling it.
You were also considering having another child with him.
I think you might benefit from the Freedom Programme OP.

AmandaHugenkiss · 25/09/2020 15:26

@Berthatydfil

Omg do not marry him. If you do and the HMRC come after his assets they might take half your house against his tax debts.
THIS.

I take back my previous comments. Your updates make him sound like a complete liability financially. He’s promised to marry you and lied about that, he’s promised not to come after half of your house if you got married and.....well, his track record on promises isn’t good.

stretchedmarks · 25/09/2020 15:28

You won't be the first, nor the last that this happens to. It's truly shitty.

Honestly, I'd give him an ultimatum. He has until the end of the year to propose or you're leaving (or similar). I highly doubt you would have had kids with the man if you knew his true intentions and it's totally unfair you've upheld your end of the bargain, so to speak, but he hasn't upheld his.

Or, you could call his bluff. If it's only a piece of paper then he'll have no issue going to the registry office next weekend, will he? See his reaction. If he wants to marry you but he's just lazy he'll be down for it. If he doesn't want to marry you, you'll know by your reaction.

Ultimately, there's nothing wrong with not marrying and staying together. You just need to get a job sooner rather than later and keep assets separate. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with splitting if he isn't willing to marry. Of course, with kids in the mix then things do need to remain civil, but he duped you. It's his own fault.

If it was me in this situation, I'd find the deceit worse than the not marrying. If he'd been honest before kids at least you could have made a balanced decision. He purposely has strung you along to get what he wanted. At the best he's lazy, and at the worst a liar. Do these outweigh him as a partner and dad? Only you can decide.

Also, I haven't RTFT but regards surnames, what about a double barrel? If he doesn't want to marry but you have decided to stay together, it's the least he could do. However, part of me suspects his ego wouldn't like that very much...

It's your call. Take time to think about all scenarios and go with what is right for you in the long term.

DarkmilkAddict · 25/09/2020 15:39

Agree with the others, please don’t marry him, for your sake and your dcs.

You sound exhausted. Do you get enough spending money? Could you get some help around the house, bit of babysitting, at least a treat or two?

Malahaha · 25/09/2020 15:43

Might be worth telling him it isn't the lack of marriage that's making you want to leave but the constant lies and misdirection so he needs to be honest with you about why he doesn't want to marry, set a date or set you free

That means he really, really doesn't want to get married so it won't happen. He's lied about it loads of times, that's what's so bad about this. His right not to want to get married but he led you on for years and years and convinced you to give baby his last name based on that lie.

The two above quotes sum it up for me. I absolutely get what you are saying, OP, and I was in a similar position. I was living with my partner and we had two small children, but were unmarried and he was being wishy-washy about making it legal; he was divorced and didn't want to marry again. It was extremely important for me; the sense of commitment and caring that marriage means. I'd have left, though, if he hadn't married me. I was serious about it. In the end he did, but I had to insist!

My case was different to yours, though; I had a profession and earning power, though no assets. In my favour for the marriage argument is that we lived in Germany where being married carries huge benefits, especially for the woman if she is a SAHM. Not only a better tax bracket, but pension credits and, (after he passed away two years ago) a substantial widow's pension. So I had more arguments on my side than you do. Oh, and if we had divorced I'd have had the right to part of HIS pension as well, for staying home to raise his kids.
We were married for over 20 years in the end.

valtandsinegar · 25/09/2020 15:51

He gaslighted you over the last name, too. Getting angry as if you were in the wrong even though you clearly weren't?

You wanted everyone to have the same name. He didn't want the same name as you. Therefore, you and the child should have got the same, as he was the one being awkward.

timeisnotaline · 25/09/2020 15:52

Don’t marry him even if he asks, it sounds like a financial disaster. Therapy would be much safer, with long term benefit! I really think you should try and get a job or upskill towards one, fill out all the forms to double barrelled baby’s name, and give them to him to either sign or pack his bags for his lies. Tell him I will never be lied to about something important again and you either realise what a horrible thing to do to someone you love and give me a share in my child’s name or if you don’t realise it then I can’t trust you, and you need to go.

WombatChocolate · 25/09/2020 15:59

The thing is that this is about Op and her partner and what they want, not what everyone else would do in the situation.

Op wants to get married and partner said they would. So she’s entitled to feel disappointed at least and devastated as it’s what she’s really wanted and feels she’s been misled about.

It doesn’t matter that other people are happy to remain unmarried or that she owns the house and marriage might not be best financial protection for house - SHE wants to be married and partner told her they would do it.

He doesn’t have to do it and let’s face it, who wants to feel they’ve dragged their partner down the aisle. If he doesn’t agree with it or has no intention of doing it, he should say so. If he doesn’t see the point or it doesn’t bother him, he can do it because she really wants to and it really will be no skin off his nose if he doesn’t care. He can choose to make her happy without impacting himself. But he has to say what he intends and Op feels she’s had the conversations but then no action and that’s what’s so upsetting especially if it’s happened over time.

And what to do if he doesn’t wNt to marry when Op does. Well it’s a hard one. Lots of people face this dilemma before children and it’s so much easier to walk away when there are no children. Honestly, I think before kids is the time to talk, decide and act. Once the kids have come along, unless there really are other things to make you leave, the moment has passed. And this is why it’s not great to be in this situation if marriage is so important to you. It doesn’t matter if you can tKe it or leave it, but if you really really want it and have doubts about partner being on same page, deciding before kids and not leaving it until after makes you very vulnerable in terms of achieving marriage. ....because once kids are there and if marriage doesn’t happen, are you really going to walk. It is possible and some people do, but most don’t and just live with the disappointment which for some is major.

Lots of people can’t understand this disappointment and it just doesn’t make sense to them, because they are either anti marriage or just not bothered one way or the other. But for some people it is as strong a desire as having children and so not having it, when you had hoped you would or worse still were told you would, is devastating.

Op, I would go back to him for another last talk. I’d make clear you won’t be having the conversation again. Make very clear that he’s known how you feel about marriage and that you understood he wanted to do it too....but time keeps passing to the point you doubt he will do it. If you don’t intend to leave, be clear that is the case but that you’re making one last appeal to him to give you what you’d love, because he loves you even if it’s not his biggest desire. And tell him that if something means he cannot do this that he will be honest and say. That you need to know if this isn’t going to happen - that you’ll be disappointed but would rather know.

It isn’t about pressuring him or making him do something he doesn’t want, but to commit one way or the other on it....which 3 kids in isn’t an unreasonable ask.

It’s the sense of being let down and misled and time passing which is wearing for Op. he doesn’t have to marry her - but she’s entitled to honesty and him deciding one way or the other.

MyOwnSummer · 25/09/2020 16:00

Fucking hell OP, the tax thing is one hell of a drip feed.

Once again, louder this time - DO NOT MARRY HIM - HMRC could take your house for back taxes FFS!!!

And why would you want to be legally and financially shackled to such an idiot? Have a look for some threads on here about wives who have just found out about their "D"H's secret, five-figure debts which they are half liable for due to the fact that they are married?

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 25/09/2020 16:02

I know how you feel. I’ve been with DP for 8 years and I would have at least expected a proposal by now, but he keeps saying it’s not important to him, then wondering why I gave one foot out of the door.

The trouble with these men is that they string you along with empty promises for years, then the minute you leave, they find someone else and marry her within the year!

I’d say you’re in a strong position and that marriage won’t be a god move for you financially etc

The baby’s name is a separate issue and I think you should ask him to at least double barrel it, so that you have part of the same name (and maybe discuss with your older ones if they’d like to do the same thing, as they may feel left out if you and the baby share a name and they don’t)

Then I’d look at getting into work, so that you can be financially independent, with your own home. That’s a strong place to be and your DP will know it. Once you are secure and stable on your own, hopefully the need to be validated as his wife will lessen. And perversely, he will probably feel more inclined to “lock it down” if you’re successful and confident in yourself. At the moment it seems like he thinks he has options. Once he sees that you do too, all of a sudden being married to you will feel like a good move on his part. And I hope at that point you tell him he’ll have to wait until you feel ready!

Honestly- as much as it seems like a romantic thing, marriage is meant to financially protect you, but in your case it might work the other way, so be thankful that he’s dragging his feet and hasn’t recognised that it would benefit him to marry you!

Suzi888 · 25/09/2020 16:02

@Prig

Honestly if I were in your shoes, i'd not hide the fact that it's disappointing, but as a response, now that it's very clear, start building on my assets and keep everything separate. Because if he doesn't want marriage he doesn't want the full union. So keep everything, penny pinch to a point and make sure you build your own castle so you can do what you want in future. Make it work for you.
^^ all of that with bells on
yellowmelon · 25/09/2020 16:07

Well a mortgage and a driving licence are both only bits of paper too... But they're pretty important bits of paper.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 25/09/2020 16:08

You'd be a complete fool 50 marry this man.... Even if he did 'propose'....

He says he won't come afte rthr house.. Until he has to pay off the HMRC /whoever else he owes money to...

Or just that he suddenly realises he's saying goodbye to what £200k plus he could get from a half share...

As I said... You're mad...

A pal is in a very similar situation... Luckily she's decided she doesn't want to marry her long term sexy younger man....

She owns two houses outright... (inherited), and has over 100k in the bank.... He has about £0 in the bank and a car worth about 500£.....

Marriage would benefit him massively.... He would potentially get over 500k....

Also she is very lax about will writing... If she died married and intestate... I think he'd get the lot... Lawyers please correct if I'm wrong

cakewench · 25/09/2020 16:13

I have read all of your posts, though not every single other post in this thread. YANBU. And because you asked earlier on, no, I don't think you're being petty at all. You've been clear to him what you've wanted, and he's lied to kick the can down the road. You're allowed to want marriage, he knows how much you want it. If it's 'just a piece of paper', why does it bother him so much to do it? As many others have pointed out, you're actually the one who would be vulnerable (because of your house). He just doesn't want to marry you. He should have told the truth a long time ago.

showmethegin · 25/09/2020 16:13

OP I completely get where you're coming from. Marriage is important to you, feel like a commitment and it feels juvenile calling the father of your child your boyfriend. I feel exactly the same way to you re attitude to marriage.

HOWEVER with your update about his tax issues etc, I think you would be mad to marry him. He is sticking his head in the sand with it and that debt will become yours if you were to marry. I'm angry on your behalf that he lied to you but I would double barrel for now and consider marriage later, if he was to sort out tax etc

TheNoodlesIncident · 25/09/2020 16:14

Whatever the reason for his reluctance, it's put you in a better position now than you otherwise would be. I'm not surprised you're totally fed up now. His track record is appalling. However good he is with the children, he is supremely bad in other rather horrifying ways.

I do think I would be laying the marriage idea to rest and look at the smoothest way - for you - out of this relationship, as he is frankly a nightmare to deal with. One of the few things he had going for him was the financial input, and even that is more flaky than solid! You haven't mentioned a mum so you're probably not able to get help from that quarter, a pity as a bit of help with childcare would go a long way.

He has deceived you utterly over the marriage thing, and he can't be trusted to run an honest ship tax-wise. For me that would be enough to be calling it a day. They are huge issues!

PinkkLady · 25/09/2020 16:16

@Kit19

ah the old "its just a bit of paper"

any legal contract is 'just a bit of paper' but I assume he doesnt forego e.g. mortgage or using itunes or sky or the gym or anything that requrires a contarct on the basis that 'it's just a bit of paper'

Exactly, and if it's just a bit of paper, then he shouldn't mind doing it, right? Cos after all, it's just a bit of paper?
MangoMarmalade · 25/09/2020 16:17

@DarkmilkAddict no we can't afford help. I am indeed exhausted, on the verge of walking out the house and disappearing for the weekend, to make DP take the baby and go cold turkey on breastfeeding. I haven't had more than half an hour to myself for over a year.

OP posts:
SomeOtherGirl · 25/09/2020 16:18

@MangoMarmalade why don't you propose to him? Would there be an option for GPs to have the children for a long weekend honeymoon? You could do two or three long weekends to make it more special.

Just an idea. Xx

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 25/09/2020 16:19

Get yourself back to work, sod what he wants. Seeing he has no cares about what you want.
Once working ask him to move out of your house, he can do it the old fashioned way if he wants that sort of bolting the door after the horse has fled He can date, get engaged and get married to you if wants, or he can sod of completly. He lies to you and has no care about your feelings and wants and needs. He wants to have his cake and eat it too.