To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?

[Loobyloo71]

Here to rant that Nicola has gone one step further and banned meeting in homes. She always feels the need to one-up Bojo, and hasn’t even given the rule of 6 she introduced last week a chance to see if it’s working.
Interested to know what the English think - do you think she’s taken it too far, or Bojo hasn’t taken it far enough?!

Seems like such a disparity that in England you can meet with 6 other households indoors and here none 🤯😡🤬😭😭

@neveradullmoment99

I think what gets me is the fact that they were welcoming the students to live on campus but in reality they would have been better staying at home because of the situation. So they paid all this money just to be sat in student accomodation. I feel they have been conned for the money.

I know. I could understand it if it was a few weeks into term but haven't unis just gone back, or is it different in Scotland?

DS went back to Uni about 3 weeks ago to start 2nd year. No classes (all on-line) until next week. He'd already committed to the accommodation so felt he was as well staying in it. The fact that his girlfriend was moving into the same flat in private halls was possibly another incentive.

Not all students are out living the high life, some are "people" too. Since they've been up, they've visited another couple in their flat and vice versa, been out for some food a few times and also for a couple of drinks, walked to avoid public transport, and worn their masks as dictated.

And yes, if they are in a reasonable travelling distance it's quite normal usually for them to pop home once or twice between end August and Christmas. To you know, catch up, do some laundry for free instead of the near tenner a load at the halls, maybe see some school friends, attend birthday parties etc etc Obviously we are not in usual circumstances this year but to suggest that just because they fancy popping home for a weekend they are somehow mollycoddled and unable to run their own lives or immature of whatever is just shitty.

In normal circumstances do any of you go near 4 months without going to see your parents (if you have any and they are within a few hours travel distance)?

Was talking about this with my dh. She does always seem to want to go one further
But Boris is an idiot with the rule of 6.

@neveradullmoment99
Nobody forced them to live at uni, plenty students commute, at worse they could have deferred. It really is ridiculous all this whining about students being asked to stay home for a weekend, rather sections of society being asked to be responsible than everyone in lockdown.

SBTLove - of course noone forced them. I agree. They shouldnt have gone however they perhaps werent discouraged by the unis and I think they were a bit misled.

I dont care if they stay home. I don't have children at that age anymore. I think the university should have been more open and stating that it wasnt going to be business as usual.

It was also reported a good number of weeks ago, if not months ago for this to be a potential issue.

@neveradullmoment99
You don’t care? so just let them roam
about causing more cases across the community?

'You don’t care? so just let them roam about causing more cases across the community?'

Can't parents stop them 'roaming about causing more cases' or is only Nicola able to do so?

You’d hope as adults they could take some
responsibility and not need to be told by anyone. I’d be embarrassed if my student DD was being a selfish git and refusing to limit herself if asked.

Of course they can take responsibility. I'm amused at some Scots who get so outraged by anything the uk government do are just rolling over and accepting this keeping students captive crap. If they are symptomatic yes, or positive but all of them?

My building project is on hold because the tradesmen are self isolating and earning no income because a fresher came back from uni last week to her parents house where they was working. Student now has +ve result. Parents, siblings and tradesmen all self isolating. Trades self employed so not earning. Not sure about the parents.
So yes, students should stay at uni.

SBTLove Nobody forced them to live at uni, plenty students commute, at worse they could have deferred. It really is ridiculous all this whining about students being asked to stay home for a weekend, rather sections of society being asked to be responsible than everyone in lockdown.

Have you actually ever been inside a university? A hall of residence? 600 students at Glasgow University and 500 at Abertay in Dundee have been told to self isolate. Most of them are in halls, not shared flats. That means being stuck in a small single room with shared facilities, the use of which has to be rotated, and which have to be sanitised after. For a damned site longer than a weekend.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/24/students-treated-like-criminals-banned-scottish-pubs-family/

This article shows what a hall of residence looks like:

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-500-dundee-students-told-to-isolate-after-suspected-covid-outbreak-in-halls-of-residence-12079184

Why on earth would all young people want to choose a university they can commute to from their parents' home?? What about those who want to study medicine, but who live in the Scottish borders? Or those from the islands who want to do dentistry? Or just those who want to get the full student experience and actually leave home, as many other 18 year olds do?

As for older students, most of them are bored rigid, having been sent home in April, trying to find jobs in the midst of a coronavirus pandemic, back living with their parents, and are desperate for some independence.

How can you not know any of this?

@IncandescentSilver
I have a 3rd child at uni now so yes I’m well aware even though by your opinion I’m brain dead! You are unbelievably condescending.
You can defer your place if need be, university is a choice not a necessity and yes a lot of students can commute, some
can’t,some can.

I think treating students differently from the rest of the adult population, purely because they are students is on very dodgy legal ground (and I think ScotGov and Universities Scotland know this... Hence why it's "not a ban... Just a request..." But incidentally we can expel you if you don't follow our request ). The request not to go to pubs etc this weekend is reasonable(ish) given the situation this week and so many self isolating, as is reinforcing the no parties rules, which most students seemed to be following anyway. However, the "no socialising outside your household" is not just for this weekend, but ongoing. So on Monday a student can go to the pub with a housemate, but not a course mate. Or for a coffee in a cafe, or for a picnic (brrrrrrr) or a walk. Whereas DH who lectures would be fine to do any of those things with a colleague. I'm not convinced that wouldn't be considered indirect age discrimination.

Though I think I heard NS say today that after this weekend, students would be subject to the same rules as the rest of the population, which is either a rapid u turn reinterpretation of the press release or she doesn't understand what the press release says.

The "ban" (or not-a-ban) on travel is interesting too. I think very few students wouldn't think they were "mixing households", and would also understand that moving from a risky environment to a less risky one may not be sensible (I agree...) . But I can totally understand them wanting to call it a day until everything calms down a bit, and reverting to "home" as their household, and doing the uni's online offering for a bit (which the majority of uni's, at least in DHs subject, have put a bugger of a lot of work into). But an English student studying in Scotland, and wanting a long weekend at their parents would be entirely within the English "rule of 6" (I think?!)... which does allow households to mix inside, as long as there is social distancing. Given NS is such a devotee of requiring people to follow the rules of the country they are in, I think she would have a bit of a nerve telling people they weren't allowed to do something entirely legal in another country...

[quote SBTLove]@neveradullmoment99
You don’t care? so just let them roam
about causing more cases across the community?[/quote]
Oh ffs! I mean its not personal to me.

Given NS is such a devotee of requiring people to follow the rules of the country they are in, I think she would have a bit of a nerve telling people they weren't allowed to do something entirely legal in another country...

Absolutely batshit crazy. Public health advice always better when it comes via the mouth of Cummings' dim witted toff hand puppet? Always hate Nicola, love that guy. And why are you guys always obsessed with England, it's one of the worst countries in the world for handling this. But you guys always think it's so great and everything Scotland does is crap. If England and the Tories are so great, move there, it's bliss, you can live under unending Tory rule and you wont have to listen to any more of your hated Nippy Krankie, leave us sensible Scots in peace. Liked more and more every day she is, must really hurt, Nearly 60% in one recent poll, haha THAT must really sting. Actual leadership and merit actually having an effect on the polls, we Scots are so weird, actually rewarding good politicians for good public service!

@ronatheseal
Lots of batshittery on this thread, nasty people with this puerile bile directed at NS.

Crikey, rona. That's a bit of a leap. It is a fact that things that are allowed in England are not allowed in Scotland, and vice versa. I'm not saying it's right, it's just a fact. Because NS has the right to set rules for Scotland because she is our First Minister. I agree with some of them, I don't agree with others, but because I live in Scotland I have to abide by them. If I lived in England I'd have to abide by Boris's rules if I liked them or not.

But NS is effectively telling people who travel to England to abide by Scottish rules, which I happen to think is a little beyond her remit, and hypocritical since she has often said people should abide by the rules of the country they are in (usually in response to journos goading her to say that English rules are outrageously lax... like when Scotland had a 5 mile travel guide and England didn't, she told English travellers that they really shouldn't be coming to Scotland as there was a restriction on travel in Scotland. Totally reasonable logic and utterly within her rights). Granted, it's only a "request", but still... I would say the same if Boris declared that English under 12s in Scotland had to socially distance from others because that's the rule in England.

Personally, I respect NS greatly as a politician. She is clever, articulate and I do think she's doing what she believes best for the country. Deffo can't say the same for BJ. I also respect her handling of the pandemic... I don't think she's got it all right, but I appreciate that she is willing to u turn when necessary, and admit she has made mistakes, and she explains the reasoning behind the policies... again, unlike BJ. Its a horrible situation for any leader to be in. I really dislike her politics (well, the independence bit, but I'm not sure you can separate out the rest from that...) But I think that is still allowed without being deemed "batshit"? Or maybe not.

And the reason England would have "unending Tory rule" if Scotland became independent is a very important reason why I don't support Scottish independence. I care about people in England as well as Scotland, and wouldn't wish that on anybody...

@NotAnActualSheep I didn't say actually England will have unending Tory rule if Scotland became independent. I think you will get to enjoy that in England whether independence happens or not. They love to be ruled by kleptocratic bastards down there, and find nothing as charming as a family abandoning lying kleptocratic bastard so long as he can bumble a few half baked non sequiturs in an Etonian accent.

@SBTLove I still remember when the unionists could appear the sane ones, they've just lost the plot now. A lot of them are apparently pretending to have English postcodes so they can use the English COVID app rather than the one for the place they live, just because they hate that darn 'divisive Krankie' so much.

@ronatheseal
I’m a bit mystified why is being independent leaves England with unending Tory rule that’s who they vote for.

You need to rephrase that or something I don't understand what point you are making.

rona you are the one that sounds deranged. The people who question the SNP are utterly sick at the deterioration of scotland and its vital services. I say that as someone who received a state education in Scotland when it was the envy of the world.

Leaving aside the massive issue if finances, I look at the SNP and see only gross incompetence at anything they attempt and I can’t be arsed to list it but it ranges from any major policy they try to implement to projects such as the new sick kids. It’s heartbreaking as a Scot to see your country divided and dismantled

The people who question the SNP are utterly sick at the deterioration of scotland and its vital services.

It’s heartbreaking as a Scot to see your country divided and dismantled

You see, no consolation, but you could apply both those statements to England too.
Utterly divided by Brexit, and an education system that has a demoralised teaching staff, endless changes to examinations, grading systems and class sizes - not to mention student loans for university.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow All I can say is you read too many English newspapers. They're not perfect by any means, and there's lots I dislike about them, but the quality of government from the SNP is beyond anything delivered elsewhere in the UK, everyone realises that to some extent, that's why the likes of the Daily Mail and Express absolutely hated NS and why her party are now polling at 60%. Oh my goodness, compared to rule by Cummings and his brain dead puppet, that's not hard.