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To think grandparents need to step up

652 replies

mypetEufy · 21/09/2020 11:10

A friend of mine is a single mum. She struggled to work from home whilst parenting her active nearly 2 year old DD when her nursery was closed. She lives below the breadline, and is reliant on food banks.

During lockdown she often didn't get any kind of break from her DD for weeks on end. A few friends helped now and then, but she has still been run ragged, to the point of her hair falling out.

The thing is, her parents live 20 minutes drive away, they all get on fine, they have some health issues but nothing to stop them helping in one way or another if they really wanted to. They are retired, active and not struggling with money. Friend has been super careful with the virus so her parents are not worried about her passing it on. Both parties are eligible to form a support bubble, if I understand it correctly.

Another friend has recently had a baby, she's a competent professional but struggling with a colicky baby, and interrupted sleep. She had a very difficult labour and is still uncomfortable.

She has has some health conditions which she managed in part, before her daughter was born, by eating a clean diet. She now eats pizza from ASDA most nights. She gets on fine with her parents; mentions what a good cook and baker her mum is. The parents live in the area.

My issue is that I can't fathom how some of my friends' parents aren't helping them when they clearly need some support. The parents are fully aware of the scope of the problems in both these situations. There are numerous other examples I know of in real life and on mn where parents have struggled and their parents have been cheerfully indifferent.

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying grandparents need to provide childcare when their children are at work, or do anything to increase their risk of catching the virus if they uncomfortable (these are grandparents who are happily going to the garden centre, meeting up with friends for lunch, going on holiday and to people's houses).

In both cases the grandparents are enthusiastic grandparents, are keen to be sent photos of their grandchild, enjoy buying presents, and repost those "share if you love being a granny!" posts on fb.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking some grandparents really need to step it up?

I dont want to cause any division and I know a lot of grandparents are amazing, but it's difficult to see my friends struggle. I'm asking here as I've heard mn has a bit of a 'grandparents have no obligation to do anything outlook', and was wondering if there comes a point where grandparents really ought to help?

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keeprocking · 21/09/2020 19:56

The grandparents have probably been reading MN posts about how the new 'little family' needs six months to bond, especially if they're the paternal parents! Sorry folks, you can't have it both ways, either you welcome the grandparents or you don't.

RepDom21 · 21/09/2020 19:57

@Brainfogmcfogface that’s really tough. I cannot understand that logic. For me personally weather it be friend or family I would draw back from anybody who would intentionally watch me struggle it’s a matter of principle. It doesn’t make sense.

I definitely wouldn’t go out of my way for my dad if he turned around and said that to me Shock

People seem to be forgetting a lot of it is just luck when your dealt your card in life.

Thenneverendingstorohree · 21/09/2020 19:59

Both sets of grandparents were like this. I found it really upsetting for about 4 years but made my piece with it now. But also made a mental note to be more helpful to my kids when they become parents. Even little things like texts saying you’re doing a good job or being made a hot cup of tea mean the world when you’re in the thick of it.

Sertchgi123 · 21/09/2020 20:01

Plenary of kids still have to go to school like all the NHS staff and so on. You seem to have forgotten that. Would you rather we stay home? Then when you need hospital treatment you can receive an excellent service whilst staffing is poor? Or furthermore you can attend to yourself because your view seems very black & white. Which is fine but just remember we all need a helping hand from time to time.

My view is not black and white. I've said repeatedly on this thread that I would help my children, should they need the help.

VinylDetective · 21/09/2020 20:10

@keeprocking

The grandparents have probably been reading MN posts about how the new 'little family' needs six months to bond, especially if they're the paternal parents! Sorry folks, you can't have it both ways, either you welcome the grandparents or you don't.
Exactly this. Grandparents are persona non grata on MN until suddenly they’re not doing their share. They really can’t win.
Rosebel · 21/09/2020 20:11

It depends. When I had my oldest two children I was very honest and said if I needed help.
Now my parents are a lot older so when they ask how I'm coping with our newborn I just say I'm fine. I know they'd try and help but I want to protect them.
You don't know what your friends have said to their parents.

Heffalooomia · 21/09/2020 20:33

but I will give my last penny to my children and sleep in a ditch before I see my children suffer no matter how old they are
I'm the same, cant bear to see them unhappy.
Looking back my parents seemed untroubled by the fact that I was impoverished and miserable compared to them...not that I ever asked or expected help but I would not see my adult children struggle if I was comfortable!

PablosHoney · 21/09/2020 21:10

I haven’t said anything about childcare rtft! I’m talking about not offering your daughter comfort over the phone when she rings you upset and that is all.

rayoflightboy · 21/09/2020 21:57

"That’s fine, as long as you don’t expect your kids to run around helping you when you are elderly and your health is failing...

Absolutley not.I wouldnt expect my kids to look after me.Especially when they have their own famillies.

Being a carer for an elderly person is not easy.Neither is looking after your gc in your 70s.

1Morewineplease · 21/09/2020 22:23

@rayoflightboy

"That’s fine, as long as you don’t expect your kids to run around helping you when you are elderly and your health is failing...

Absolutley not.I wouldnt expect my kids to look after me.Especially when they have their own famillies.

Being a carer for an elderly person is not easy.Neither is looking after your gc in your 70s.

Yep! I don't want my children to have to deal with my or my husband's incontinency , disablement or any of the stuff that old age throws at you and we'll fight damned hard to prevent our children from having to deal with it.

Trouble is... that will involve using all of our money to prevent that. So our children will inherit nothing

aprilanne · 21/09/2020 23:23

Brain fog that's really sad that your parents think like that .they can hardly take it with them and to ask you to do the banking see the money and let there child use a food bank is so selfish

Yesterdayforgotten · 22/09/2020 07:41

@Brainfogmcfogface how awful for you. If I were you I'd tell them to pay an accountant to do their banking our charge them the going rate. That is terrible and how mean of them Flowers x

Yesterdayforgotten · 22/09/2020 07:41

or*

Rhine · 22/09/2020 07:54

@rayoflightboy

"That’s fine, as long as you don’t expect your kids to run around helping you when you are elderly and your health is failing...

Absolutley not.I wouldnt expect my kids to look after me.Especially when they have their own famillies.

Being a carer for an elderly person is not easy.Neither is looking after your gc in your 70s.

That’s good. But lots of GPs think their children owe them in their later years, my own GPS did, despite being very disinterested and unhelpful grandparents.
Blossomgate · 22/09/2020 08:15

Too much to think about as this is so complicated.

'Fathers' should be first but some DM's are determined to bring up children alone and make DF contact so difficult that is breaks down. With the DF in regular contact that gives a whole other family for support.
But OMG don't we know how MIL's are slated on here by their DIL's.

My own parents have done nothing for me. They did carry out some childcare when one DC was a baby, but I paid the going rate for this to support my DM to give up work.

Within 2 weeks of my c-section they arrived for a full Christmas Day and did nothing all day.
My marriage ended, my DP's moved abroad. I managed alone with my DC's. They visited and we went to them so saw them twice a year. They missed a huge parts of their DGC's growing up. They don't have a strong relationship now. For me it is all so sad but I think I've accepted it. They live for themselves.

Unpicking it, as I have done many times, both of my DP's had home lives that weren't great. I honestly think that they just don't know what been part of a family is. (and aren't prepared to look at what others do and make changes). They don't understand what offering support is, they don't ever feel the need to be part of our lives in any great way. I still lay on fantastic Christmas times, they like it, but we get nothing back. They never think to do anything for any of us. They don't share or include, they are selfish in how they behave, but I don't think they know any different. They haven't had that family model to follow.

I go back to 'this is so complicated'. You don't understand any of their relationships, GP's or the child's father. You don't know what has gone before, you don't know any background formative behaviours. All too complicated to resolve.

billy1966 · 22/09/2020 13:21

@Brainfogmcfogface

Your parents sound despicable.

Perhaps be unavailable to help them as you are seeking extra work to pay for your car.

There is absolutely no way I would be running after people like that.

Leave them to sort their own stuff out.Flowers

SuzieQQQ · 22/09/2020 13:47

Some people just have crappy selfish parents. My husband’s mother has never helped anyone a day in her life.

timetest · 22/09/2020 14:03

I don’t understand how grandparents can see their children and grandchildren go without. I view my relationship with DGC as a wonderful gift in later life. I’ve just been swimming followed by sandwiches in the park then dropped DGD off at preschool. It was an absolute delight. Not putting yourself out for family denies them but also makes for an unfulfilled old age. With money, I’d rather help them out now and have them enjoy it than see them go without.

ghostmous3 · 22/09/2020 14:13

I'm of those useless grandparents and my dil cheerfully slags me off to members of her own family saying i never help out etc

The reality of it is that im 43 with young children myself, I work and my weekends are spent with my family as well and I'm exhausted as well
I've offered to have my DGD many many times in the past, I've offered to have her to give her a break and so she can return to work but she prefers her family and then has the cheek to moan about me ..

Family dynamics and all that. It's also none of your business op.

Yesterdayforgotten · 22/09/2020 14:14

@timetest you sound an amazing grandparent! I bet your son/daughter is so grateful.

Yesterdayforgotten · 22/09/2020 14:17

@ghostmous3 you're still young and have young children yourself so if anything you need grandparents to help yourself! Your daughter can't surely expect much support considering the circumstances and if anything you could help each other out by babysitting and letting the dc play together.

Mary46 · 22/09/2020 14:19

Would hate my kids struggling. Some parents are mean! Will help where I can. My mam never helped but expects to be pampered now. Ah families who have them! My mil great xmas party help odd night away etc she great

ghostmous3 · 22/09/2020 14:32

Mine arent little toddlers though..mine are 10 and 13 so I suppose not young children but my ten year old has some problems so she appears than than she is.

I dont get much help of my own mum but she is disabled so I understand why

I think it's just hurtful that when DGD was 6 months dil asked me if I would give up my only day at the weekend when I was kid free (ex has contact) so she could go back to work and I said no because that was my only day myself where I had a break..but I would have her any other time and then she has never let me look after since then..saying I couldnt be bothered and she preferred her family anyway..my sons the same..theres many issues there anyway but it's not always black and white

ghostmous3 · 22/09/2020 14:34

I could cover dil other shifts I mean but not the weekend day I meant to stay incase anyone says i contradicted myself lol

Yesterdayforgotten · 22/09/2020 14:46

@ghostmous3 well at least you offered, that's more than enough and your dc should be grateful for the offer.