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To think grandparents need to step up

652 replies

mypetEufy · 21/09/2020 11:10

A friend of mine is a single mum. She struggled to work from home whilst parenting her active nearly 2 year old DD when her nursery was closed. She lives below the breadline, and is reliant on food banks.

During lockdown she often didn't get any kind of break from her DD for weeks on end. A few friends helped now and then, but she has still been run ragged, to the point of her hair falling out.

The thing is, her parents live 20 minutes drive away, they all get on fine, they have some health issues but nothing to stop them helping in one way or another if they really wanted to. They are retired, active and not struggling with money. Friend has been super careful with the virus so her parents are not worried about her passing it on. Both parties are eligible to form a support bubble, if I understand it correctly.

Another friend has recently had a baby, she's a competent professional but struggling with a colicky baby, and interrupted sleep. She had a very difficult labour and is still uncomfortable.

She has has some health conditions which she managed in part, before her daughter was born, by eating a clean diet. She now eats pizza from ASDA most nights. She gets on fine with her parents; mentions what a good cook and baker her mum is. The parents live in the area.

My issue is that I can't fathom how some of my friends' parents aren't helping them when they clearly need some support. The parents are fully aware of the scope of the problems in both these situations. There are numerous other examples I know of in real life and on mn where parents have struggled and their parents have been cheerfully indifferent.

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying grandparents need to provide childcare when their children are at work, or do anything to increase their risk of catching the virus if they uncomfortable (these are grandparents who are happily going to the garden centre, meeting up with friends for lunch, going on holiday and to people's houses).

In both cases the grandparents are enthusiastic grandparents, are keen to be sent photos of their grandchild, enjoy buying presents, and repost those "share if you love being a granny!" posts on fb.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking some grandparents really need to step it up?

I dont want to cause any division and I know a lot of grandparents are amazing, but it's difficult to see my friends struggle. I'm asking here as I've heard mn has a bit of a 'grandparents have no obligation to do anything outlook', and was wondering if there comes a point where grandparents really ought to help?

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Casschops · 21/09/2020 18:34

I don't hink its your place to get involved and also grandparents are snot obligated they have their own lives. Having said that I pay for any day to day childcare that is needed for my son. I don't expect anything from my parents but they are ace and step up of their own free will. I think its because I never put on them and help them too. They have my son overnight sometimes. Id like to think I would do the same for him if I was a Nanna.

10pennychews · 21/09/2020 18:35

I think you meant to say why aren't the fathers stepping up.

Yesterdayforgotten · 21/09/2020 18:35

@PablosHoney exactly that's it, even if she had given some compassion it would have helped immensely but unfortunately my mothers answer to everything is 'oh dear' then straight onto herself.

KatherineofTarragon · 21/09/2020 18:37

@PablosHoney You could ask your DC to pay you @stayathomer

Or @stays child can pay for their own child's childcare leaving at @stay to enjoy her life now, having spent years raising her own children.

PablosHoney · 21/09/2020 18:38

I had swine flu when pregnant with my second and my first was a very late walker, I remember trudging back from the midwifes exhausted and when I spoke to my mum she just started banging on about some perceived mistake I’d made, I just wanted to scream ‘FUCK OFF’ 😂😂

KatherineofTarragon · 21/09/2020 18:40

@PablosHoney "I think she wanted some sympathy/empathy @KatherineofTarragon not a run down of her mums shopping trip and not a rescue either".

I see that ,but she could have called her husband, the child's father for that.

Runmybathforme · 21/09/2020 18:41

Well, on the one hand, I completely agree with you. I don’t think I would have survived without my Mother when my son was a baby. Her and my Dad were brilliant. I don’t understand how parents can stand by and watch their children struggle, but, it’s so different when you’re older. I used to find my Grandchildren totally exhausting, and was always glad to hand them back.

PablosHoney · 21/09/2020 18:41

It was a reference to @stayathomer’s comment about money worries as you age 😊

PablosHoney · 21/09/2020 18:43

Yes she could @KatherineofTarragon but she didn’t, she called her mother 😂 are we supposed to stop loving our kids and caring about them once they are grown up?? A kind word or some reassurance is not much to give I’d have thought.

Yesterdayforgotten · 21/09/2020 18:44

@KatherineofTarragon Dh was at work and I wasnt aware that other people are banned from giving compassion esp your own mother?! You have a very strange view!

Yesterdayforgotten · 21/09/2020 18:47

Also dh was sleep deprived and running on empty too, at work and in a bad place himself - so i called my mother... dont worry @KatherineofTarragon I never turn to her now...

KatherineofTarragon · 21/09/2020 18:52

@PablosHoney no, i agree. But some of us do not have mums/families like that. Some of us have raised our children totally alone , with reflux. We just had to get on with it.

I am 50 now and looking forward to my next chapter, i deserve it. I plan to travel and relocate. Looking after my grandchildren day in day out is not something i am prepared to do or will be altering my life to accommodate.

BewilderedDoughnut · 21/09/2020 18:53

It’s nobody else’s responsibility to look after someone else’s kids!! I feel so desperately sorry for grandparents that have raised their children and finally get a bit of time for themselves just to be lumbered with grandchildren to look after.

Don’t have kids if you can’t take care of them fully. You have to prepare for worst case scenario when planning to have a family. Job loss, deaths etc. If you can’t hack worse case scenario, don’t have children.

It’s really very simple!!

KatherineofTarragon · 21/09/2020 18:55

@Yesterdayforgotten You have a very strange view!

You are entitled to your view. My views are based on my personal experiences.

mypetEufy · 21/09/2020 18:55

On the other hand my best friend had a shitty time when hers were born and I didn’t really step up as I should have or would have if I really understood the situation. She didn’t tell me and I was too ignorant / wrapped up in my own non-child problems (as well as living far away and working full time tbf) to guess how she was struggling or ask the right questions.

I can relate so much, I had a couple of situations like that when I was much younger. Only now that I've got kids I can recognise the signs that friends or relatives might have been stuggling. I do look back and cringe at my own ignorance sometimes.

having someone see how you live with no shiny gloss

This so much. And you always have that feeling at the back of your mind that once you reveal what's under the gloss you can't just reinstate the gloss, if you change your mind, and everything will go back to how it was.

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PablosHoney · 21/09/2020 18:57

Well that’s shitty for you, why do you want to model that behaviour? we don’t have to perpetuate the cycle. I’m not in anyway suggesting making grandparents give up their lives to become childcare but you are berating a woman for turning to her mother in her time of need. Such a shame.

PablosHoney · 21/09/2020 18:58

@KatherineofTarragon Bad past experiences which have clouded your view of what’s normal and caring.

Rubytoosday · 21/09/2020 18:59

I don’t think anyone can expect childcare or attention for their children from anyone other than themselves as parents to be honest. This stuff is all really complicated. Anyone other than the parents has to be allowed to engage with the children on their own terms and it’s really not for anyone else to judge. I don’t think people can or should be forced for care because of some general expectation or how you think you would feel about it.

Sertchgi123 · 21/09/2020 19:01

For those saying it's not the GP'S responsibility, we are in a bloody pandemic and these working parents are the ones attempting to keep the economy running for everyone in difficult circumstances

There are breakfast clubs, after school clubs and child minders, nurseries and childminders still available. Better to use those really, as it minimises the risk of the grandparents catching Covid and filling up the hospitals and ITUs.

KatherineofTarragon · 21/09/2020 19:02

@PablosHoney i am not berating anyone. I suggested the poster call her DH. I also suggested that GP's should not automatically be expected to care for grandchildren. I am not alone in that view, does mean i do not love and care for my own children.

You have your view, i have mine. Lets leave it there. Have a good evening.

Beautiful3 · 21/09/2020 19:02

Rhine

OverTheRainbow88: -

"When I’ve finally retired I will not be looking after young GC (if I have any) in a regular basis. I’ve done my hard work child rearing, working crazy hours and if I make it to retirement I want to relax, travel and see my friends/family. I don’t want to commit to being home every week even if it’s just for one day.

Saying that, lockdown was unprecedented so can see that extra help would have been needed- but initially this was allowed anyway."

"That’s fine, as long as you don’t expect your kids to run around helping you when you are elderly and your health is failing...

Works both ways."
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I absolutely agree with this, with bells on!

mypetEufy · 21/09/2020 19:03

I only have my Dad left after my mums passing 8 years ago and although he works full time has prostate cancer and parkinsons he would bend over backwards to help me and my DD (6years old). I am a single parent

Your Dad sounds awesome, wishing him all the best with his health Flowers

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MsTSwift · 21/09/2020 19:03

We needed and asked for help from my in-laws just ONCE. We asked months in advance. They agreed. Then pulled out the week before for a laughably lame reason. I actually thought they were joking at first but they weren’t. Both fit recently retired etc. They do stacks of childcare for dh brother. I’ve never quite forgiven them for it tbh.

Highfivemum · 21/09/2020 19:04

An ideal world all families would help each other but sadly we don’t live in an ideal world. Not can we ever judge others as to if they do or do not help out. I have 6 DC and have not help from parents or in laws. There choice I accept that. Not everyone wants to start over looking after children again.
Don’t get me wrong it would be great to have a break every now and again but their my children and my responsibility.

SleepingStandingUp · 21/09/2020 19:06

Don’t have kids if you can’t take care of them fully. You have to prepare for worst case scenario when planning to have a family. Job loss, deaths etc. If you can’t hack worse case scenario, don’t have children
What was your preparation for the arrival of a worldwide pandemic that would see give swathe of life closed down and the rest heavily restricted?
And it isn't about hacking anything. It's about people having kids with additional needs and those kids not coping with huge changes in routine and the parents struggling. It's about childcare and education provision disappearing in a poof of smoke when so many people women work their lives around it.