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to think the PM should be paid more?

379 replies

chomalungma · 19/09/2020 20:05

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8750253/Subdued-Boris-Johnson-worries-money-salary-shrunk-150k.html

This is a tricky one. I loathe Boris Johnson - but this is about any PM. Not just him.

Yes, they get the flat at Downing Street. It's rent free. He doesn't have commuting costs.

But this is the top job in the country. Massive responsibility. Lots of hours of work.

Should the PM be paid more? (any PM BTW)

OP posts:
Cornettoninja · 20/09/2020 13:13

@Oncemorewithfeelin

I think we should be deducting money from Boris for how shit he’s been.

However the PM should be paid a better salary in general. You want to attract the best people for the job.

I think the earning opportunities after being PM are probably linked to how successful you are. Kind of an accidental limitation in post-politics earnings.

I don’t think raising the salary for PM would necessarily attract the right people either. To get the best people for the job we need to break down the barriers much earlier on and encourage opportunities for people outside of old Etonians and public school graduates.

SabrinaThwaite · 20/09/2020 13:15

Paying fees for Beadales, Westminster and Highgate schools, is going to eat away at any salary.

Out of his six acknowledged children, three are adults and working, one is at Cambridge, one is aged around 11 and one is a baby, so claiming he is short of money to support them is a bit Hmm

Does Johnson expect us to believe that Marina Wheeler hasn’t contributed to the eldest four children?

Only a year ago it was reported that Johnson was splitting his £6.5m stash with his ex wife, so unless she’s taken him to the cleaners he’s not exactly skint.

Unless of course there’s a lot of costs that are being kept quiet.

SabrinaThwaite · 20/09/2020 13:23

So many posters saying he doesn’t have housing costs! It would be very silly of him to not maintain a private residence

No worries there - Johnson has a 50% share of a London property and a 20% share of a Somerset property. It’s up to him and the co-owners if he wants to gain a rental income from them.

SkySmiler · 20/09/2020 13:29
Biscuit
duvetaddict · 20/09/2020 13:31

He's not worth 150 pence

Stinkyguineapig · 20/09/2020 13:37

I wonder how much Dominic Cummings is paid?

Suzi888 · 20/09/2020 13:38

Erm... no

DrCoconut · 20/09/2020 13:39

Within living memory a man who had children outside of marriage, or indiscreet affairs would not be PM. I'm not suggesting we go back to Victorian style moral policing but it is rich that these people tell others to plan their families and budgets better when challenged about the inadequacy of universal credit when they themselves are whinging about being unable to afford their "lifestyle choices" on more money than a UC claimant could dream of.

Facelikearustytractor · 20/09/2020 13:42

Think we have established what Carrie's user name is on here now: chomalungma

Hi Carrie. Biscuit

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 20/09/2020 13:43

What’s with that stupid biscuit, Sky. Speak out if you’ve got something to say

cardibach · 20/09/2020 13:46

I think lay in this country has got completely divorced from how useful/responsible/difficult the job is. It isn’t that the PM earns to little so much as wages don’t reflect the job.

whittingtonmum · 20/09/2020 13:46

No.

SleepingStandingUp · 20/09/2020 13:47

Nope, they should be there for the job not the money. If he can't afford kids, he should have used a condom or got the snip.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 20/09/2020 13:53

“Boris is rich. He hardly relies on salary does he. This is some kind of strategy to make him seem more relatable.”

It just makes him even more unrelatable though when there are people out there living in the real world with real struggles

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 20/09/2020 13:55

Does the “if you can’t feed them don’t breed them” only apply to “chavs. Are the rules different for toffs

Pedallleur · 20/09/2020 14:30

This is a job for which there are no shortage of applicants. Comes with an exclusive address, a country manor house with servants, free living and the promise of high earnings after leaving office. A job he coveted and believed was his birthright. Want more money? Should have done what Sunk did. Worked hard, studied economics and gone into hedge funds.

Pedallleur · 20/09/2020 14:31

Sunak

ListeningQuietly · 20/09/2020 14:35

Maybe he should not have got Carrie up the duff while still married to Marina shit hot lawyer
and maybe she should have stayed away from violinists
such that Carrie is going to take him to the cleaners as well

sorry but Johnson has wanted the job all his life
he should have checked the Terms and Conditions beforehand

Pedallleur · 20/09/2020 14:43

Also, it's a job which the only qualifications you need are to be an MP, get selected by your party and win an election.

TSSDNCOP · 20/09/2020 14:44

He's going to make millions and millions when he leaves office. His present salary is just a place marker.

Graphista · 20/09/2020 15:13

@justfinefornow - sorry but considering MPs BARELY need to touch their salaries, which are generally far better than many of their constituents will be receiving, due to the expenses corruption I see absolutely NO need for them to have other jobs. They’re being paid by the country to serve the country, if they’re doing other jobs they’re not fully committing to that job.

but the current encumbrance in post I think you meant incumbent but that’s a fabulous malapropist typo!

so we don’t keep having Eton/Oxbridge/isolation from real world prime ministers.

Exactly!

I’m a fan of the last leg and I well remember John bishop being on after having met David Cameron either while or just after he was PM. Bishop is no Tory fan but he made a comment where he noted, from having spoken with Cameron that it wasn’t just that there was a bias from the likes of Cameron towards the poorer members of society, but that it was an experience SO far removed from his own he had absolutely NO understanding or appreciation of it, he was completely clueless as to what life was like for the poorest in society.

I read the other day the flat at 10 Downing Street is taxable, any food sent up from the kitchen is charged IF that’s true which I highly doubt, I very much suspect they simply claim it back via the expenses system.

What does the single claimant do to get paid that amount in UC? considering this is the lowest level that would apply to claimants unemployed without a reason considered acceptable for being so, so they are expected to be actively seeking work and doing all they can to achieve that or they are sanctioned. It’s pretty much expected they spend full time hours on job seeking unless there are mitigating factors.

Considering that there are nowhere near enough jobs for the numbers unemployed even according to the govts own figures (which are heavily massaged!) it’s not easy!

Dd and I were both job hunting at the same time a few years back. Very different cvs of course, not sure if people are aware if they’ve not job searched recently but on the online sites there are counters which show how many applicants per vacancy, at that time it was regularly over 500 for many roles. Bear in mind also the same role would be advertised on several sites. Dd is now job hunting again (different location just started back at uni) and in the current climate applicant numbers are often in excess of 800 per role and even as much as over 1000 per role.

Where I am a major company with a base near us it came to be known before they even advertised that they’d be looking to increase recruitment - the week that gossip got out within 2 days they had over 5000 on spec applications for a handful of vacancies.

There will also be things like claimants having to attend various appointments to get “support” to find work not only from their dwp advisor but other agencies - which aren’t always easy or cheap to get to! Plus they are “encouraged” to apply for jobs they have neither the experience or qualifications in to hit the targets set for both claimant and their advisor, including attending interviews where this is the case which is frankly time wasting and I’m sure makes claimants feel even more shit...

They’re certainly not, as I think some may think, sitting on their backsides doing nothing!

@itsabeautifuldayheyhey - I don’t know any more than anyone else can find out from a little investigation and application of common sense. He’s even been censured for breaking rules on declaring interest stuff - have you forgotten the whole Jennifer arcuri debacle? Which was just one of them? Don’t know carrie’s exact income, nor what money she has from family side of things, but know she too is from a well off family and has an upper management role in a charity so she’s hardly on average wage let alone nmw! I believe she’s on around £55k herself?

It’s not funny at all. High earners are motivated by money so it’s entirely logical they should think that. They (mistakenly) believe the more you pay, the better the performance. I don’t want politicians who worship money. exactly!

@YouWereGr8InLittleMenstruators thanks. No to the best of my knowledge they aren’t prevented from voting on things they have a vested interest in in any meaningful way, interests have to be declared etc but it’s very much lip service plus tons of loopholes.

I’m fine with the nice houses. It must be easier and cheaper for the security services to protect them there and also easier to track who has access to the PM.

actually I would argue that my idea of having them all in one location possibly behind a “fence line” would certainly make the security cheaper and easier! And I don’t see how it makes it easier to track who has access to pm either!

I’d argue that top paid civil servants, CEOs, etc are paid too much, not that other salaries should be inflated. totally agree

Also re footballers etc pay - well that’s plain obscene anyway and means ordinary people have been priced out of attending live sports events, theatre etc

he’s quite conceivably lost the Tories the next election one can only hope - unfortunately I think you’re wrong, thread running elsewhere on this

So many posters saying he doesn’t have housing costs! It would be very silly of him to not maintain a private residence as he has NO job security he could rent out these properties while in office to cover any expenses - not that I believe for a second he actually needs to!

To get the best people for the job we need to break down the barriers much earlier on and encourage opportunities for people outside of old Etonians and public school graduates. totally agree.

While in theory “anyone” can become an Mp who can find the £500 deposit, it requires significant funding and contacts in reality. This needs to be addressed seriously.

I for one am absolutely sick of being governed by people who’ve never done a non-political days work in their lives and have NO CLUE what life is like for the poorest - and arguably the most affected by their actions! - in society!

However, all I've said being said I don't believe this little snippet was released to try and make him look good, even Cummings isn't that stupid! I suspect this was a back stabbing move by one of his "own"

WhenSheWasBad · 20/09/2020 15:21

I have zero sympathy for Johnson. He’s clearly mismanaged his money (no shock there everything else is a shitshow).

The PM and MPs should be on more than they are. Maybe if we increase salaries we will get a better standard of politician in the future.

justfinefornow · 20/09/2020 16:15

@Graphista What expenses corruption? If there is evidence of continued expenses corruption that should be dealt with - not left in place to compensate MPs for their low salary.

shotby3armedbastards · 20/09/2020 17:32

@Graphista no typo I assure you!

Getbettersoon · 20/09/2020 17:36

I think there is an argument for making it well paid, so that it's not only something peopen from privilege can afford to do, but the current salary achieves that.

Any PM will make money from it for the rest of their life and I bet they hardly pay for anything themselves whilst in office. It's plenty.

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