Furlough holiday

[MrsQGinglass]

I am furloughed still and work for a large international company. There are only a few off us still furloughed 2 in my office only.

I received an informing me that all holiday from last year that was carried over would have to be used in the October. I know the reason why it is cheaper for them to get part of the government to pay it.
My issue is that those that have not been furloughed are allowed to carry over their holiday for the next 2 years.
I really do not think this is fair as they are treating us differently.
I have contacted HR for clarification but they have not answered my emails.
Is this lawful.
AIBUto think that they are treating us unfairly.

[AstiniMartini]

Not attacjing the furloughed empployee- attaching you for your shitty attitude.

[newsyoucanuse]

'It is funny how everyone is attacking the furloughed employee, if people are so busy at work take it up with your employer and ask for those remaining on furlough to come back to work.'

because of what she's complaining about, not because she was furloughed! Still, if this is her attitude in general the company might take the opportunity to get rid.

[Dishwashersaurous]

But you haven’t actually been working!!!!!!

Of course you cannot carry over leave when you haven’t been working.

Whereas someone who has been working can.

That is entirely fair and reasonable

[kirinm]

@Florencex

It is legal and of course it is fair! Other people have been working whilst you have been sat at home on full or 80% pay. It is fair that those who have worked should be able to carry their holiday over. Hopefully they will also get a bonus of some kind at the end of this by way of thanks.

This is such a horrible tone to adopt. Furlough wasn't voluntary and it clearly puts people's job at risk.

[SantaClaritaDiet]

@MrsQGinglass

It is funny how everyone is attacking the furloughed employee, if people are so busy at work take it up with your employer and ask for those remaining on furlough to come back to work.
Those on furlough did not ask to be furloughed I would have rather been made redundant, than hanging on for a job I may not return to.
Would you think the same about someone wanting their holiday entitlement if they were sick?

you were always free to quit your job, no one was stopping you

No one is discussing the fairness of actually been made furlough or being too essential and kept on.

You were not sick, you had months off. Being entitled to accrue holidays whilst you were already on leave is ludicrous already, but moaning that people who have been working should be put at the back of the queue so you can chose when you can use even more time off is frankly taking the absolute piss.

You are not denied your holiday entitlement. Stop pretending you are.

[OlympicProcrastinator]

I don’t know why you posted then OP? You posted in AIBU, presumably to see if you were, indeed, being unreasonable. Everyone has confirmed that yes, you are being unreasonable. But you don’t want to accept that. Which is fine, your prerogative. But why then keep arguing?

It seems like you are looking for an echo chamber but you won’t find the response you’re looking for here because you really are, in most peoples opinions, being very unreasonable.

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

It is funny how everyone is attacking the furloughed employee Who? Where? Sick pay??? What?

What exactly is it you are objecting to!

[NoSquirrels]

@MrsQGinglass

It is funny how everyone is attacking the furloughed employee, if people are so busy at work take it up with your employer and ask for those remaining on furlough to come back to work.
Those on furlough did not ask to be furloughed I would have rather been made redundant, than hanging on for a job I may not return to.
Would you think the same about someone wanting their holiday entitlement if they were sick?

You've accrued annual leave whilst on furlough, just as you accrue annual leave whilst sick.

Your employer is asking you to take your annual leave at a time of their choosing, as they are entitled to do at any time - whether you've been off sick, on furlough, whatever.

Barbara in accounts who's worked all through the pandemic is allowed to carry over some entitlement if she chooses, because they don't want all their employees off in October. They're happy to have YOU off in October, because you're already off work and it's easier to extend that a bit.

You have had months of 'holiday' from work. I'm sorry it was shit, I'm sorry you didn't get to go anywhere, but you cannot compare it to being sick. You weren't. You were just off work in unprecedented circumstances.

[SantaClaritaDiet]

This is such a horrible tone to adopt. Furlough wasn't voluntary and it clearly puts people's job at risk.

it's the other way around... people jobs WERE at risk and furlough gave them a chance not to get shown the door whilst their colleagues were trying to salvage the business if the business could even work.

There are many others who would have loved to be on furlough, it's not fair on anyone. It's not the point of the thread, what is ridiculous and entitled is moaning about not adding to your time off to take even more holiday when you are back

[kirinm]

God the people on here who seem totally bitter that they didn't get furloughed. Covid really has brought out the arsehole in people, hasn't it.


OP - I wasn't furloughed thankfully - it was something I dreaded happening. But we are being asked to use 40% of our holiday up before the end of this month. That is primarily because so many people didn't take holiday during lockdown that work now face 1500 people trying to use their holiday in a 6 month period. The business won't be able to cope with that.

[ameliajoan]

I was also on furlough until recently, OP. Also on 80% pay. So I was exactly where you are.

You’re still wrong, you’re still unreasonable and you’re still ignorant.

[Heyahun]

It’s not unlawful to carry the holiday over! The rules are clear though - if you get forced to take Holiday on furlough then you are to be paid 100% - I’ve taken a weeks holiday while on furlough - and I’m allowed carry the rest over for 2 years! Back to work 1st of October!

The bitterness of people on here though 😂

[kirinm]

@SantaClaritaDiet

This is such a horrible tone to adopt. Furlough wasn't voluntary and it clearly puts people's job at risk.

it's the other way around... people jobs WERE at risk and furlough gave them a chance not to get shown the door whilst their colleagues were trying to salvage the business if the business could even work.

There are many others who would have loved to be on furlough, it's not fair on anyone. It's not the point of the thread, what is ridiculous and entitled is moaning about not adding to your time off to take even more holiday when you are back

Tell that to the people at the company I work at who were furloughed and are now in a redundancy consultation.

I wouldn't want to have been furloughed. Massive pay cut and sudden loss of job security. No thanks.

[eeyore228]

Could be maybe those who weren’t furloughed had to take on the xtra pressure and work left by those who weren’t there and maybe couldn’t take any holiday at all because there’s no one left to cover??? Why should they lose leave when they had no choice but to work.

[HelloDaisy]

@MrsQGinglass

It is funny how everyone is attacking the furloughed employee, if people are so busy at work take it up with your employer and ask for those remaining on furlough to come back to work.
Those on furlough did not ask to be furloughed I would have rather been made redundant, than hanging on for a job I may not return to.
Would you think the same about someone wanting their holiday entitlement if they were sick?

But you were not sick. A company can manage that as it is one person- this involves everybody!

Nobody is attacking the employee just trying to look at the bigger picture. Staff still working will be super busy and those furloughed will be super bored but that can’t really be helped at the moment. Perhaps the employer is keeping people on furlough in the hope that business turnover will pick up enough not to need redundancies. Sadly employers do not have a never ending pot of cash to employ people, they need the money coming in and a good turnover to pay wages.

Now is certainly not a good time to be wanting redundancy as there are thousands of others in the boat all looking for work. I bet they wish they were furloughed!

[SantaClaritaDiet]

God the people on here who seem totally bitter that they didn't get furloughed. Covid really has brought out the arsehole in people, hasn't it.

why? for stating the obvious?

Some companies decline the right for WFH employees to cancel their booked leave during lockdown. It was shit too, but it was legal too.

No one was trying to be childishly spiteful, businesses simply wouldn't cope if everyone was catching up on leave when the offices reopen.

The OP allegedly on furlough and wanting even more time off is on another level of CF entirely.

[Dee1975]

Yes it’s lawful provided they have given you the right amount of notice. Something like double notice for the amount of time. I.e need to give you 2 weeks notice to take 1 week. (Check Acas for that).
So this is holiday that you rolled already from last year? So can you roll over this years like everyone else? Or are you saying that people that weren’t on furlough are allowed to roll over last years holiday as well?

[HouseOfGoldandBones]

[quote MrsQGinglass]@nerdsville

Yes you have to treat people equally at work!
You can't favour one person over the other.[/quote]
OP, firstly no one is attacking you.

You came onto AIBU to ask if it you were being unreasonable in believing that you were being treated unfairly. The resounding answers have been "Yes, you are being unreasonable"

Secondly, no, you don't have to treat people equally at work! That's, obviously, ridiculous. What employers cannot do is discriminate against someone because of a protected characteristic.

To be completely honest, if this thread is indicative of your attitude at work, I'm not sure that this will be an issue that you will be troubled with much longer, certainly not with this employer.

[Dollyrocket]

Not surprised they have kept you on furlough as you are coming across very self-serving and begrudging.

[Moonfig]

They need to top you up to 100% for any holidays taken.

Other than that, YABU.

[Dontcarewhatmyusernameis]

YABU. I’ve been on furlough. Do not expect my annual leave to roll over to next year. I’d find that weird.

[Moonfig]

Sorry but if you've been working flat out covering your furloughed colleagues' work then your company has pulled a fast one on you. The reason people have been furloughed is because their work has dried up. You should be doing just your own work, not your colleagues'.

This hasn't been the case for a lot of people though. Companies have furloughed to save money.

[SockYarn]

So entitled.

[Nosleeptilteenagers]

I find it hard not to be bitter towards those that were furloughed. Totally due to my personal experience but it has been the toughest 6 months of my life wfh, homeschooling and caring for a toddler on my own (DH keyworker). Several of my furloughed friends spent the time updating their instagrams with their long leisurely walks and amazing family activities. I actually cried looking at this, I cried a lot actually! Which I think shows a distinct lack of empathy on their part as to how hard it was for some others.

Now job security/redundancy is becoming a major issue I do feel bad for the people affected but it’s not only furloughed employees that are going to be feeling the impact. I’ve worked throughout and my work has started consultations now. It’s not a given that you’ve got job security if you weren’t furloughed in the same way it’s not a given that you’ll be made redundant if you were.

[MrsQGinglass]

@Moonfig

Sorry but if you've been working flat out covering your furloughed colleagues' work then your company has pulled a fast one on you. The reason people have been furloughed is because their work has dried up. You should be doing just your own work, not your colleagues'.

This hasn't been the case for a lot of people though. Companies have furloughed to save money.

If they have used furlough to save money that is not what furlough was for.

If the work is there they should have all employees back.