Furlough holiday

[MrsQGinglass]

I am furloughed still and work for a large international company. There are only a few off us still furloughed 2 in my office only.

I received an informing me that all holiday from last year that was carried over would have to be used in the October. I know the reason why it is cheaper for them to get part of the government to pay it.
My issue is that those that have not been furloughed are allowed to carry over their holiday for the next 2 years.
I really do not think this is fair as they are treating us differently.
I have contacted HR for clarification but they have not answered my emails.
Is this lawful.
AIBUto think that they are treating us unfairly.

[CandyLeBonBon]

Boo fucking hoo OP.

Nobody cares.
You still have a job
It's not illegal.
Move the fuck on, or resign and give the opportunity to somebody else who is desperate for a job right now.

HTH

[Cantfindafreeusername]

@Brighterthansunflowers

Anyone actually buying the fairytale ending where OP was right all along?

It’s easy to see why you’re one of two people that haven’t been brought back to work tbh.

Nope - not the fact that all her hard working colleagues, who were busy working away in the office, agreed and supported her grievance. 😂

[Brighterthansunflowers]

Anyone actually buying the fairytale ending where OP was right all along?

It’s easy to see why you’re one of two people that haven’t been brought back to work tbh.

[dontdisturbmenow]

Therefore if she is made redundant then thinks she might get paid for unused annual leave
Exactly that.

[MomToTwoBabas]

YABVU

[RattleOfBars]

You’ve been furloughed for 6 months on 80% pay while your colleagues were working?
Yes I think it’s fair and legal your holidays can’t be carried over!

Lots of people had no choice but to work throughout the pandemic (either risking our health on site or working remotely with kids climbing all over us)! Lots of people I know would love to have been furloughed.

The economy’s on it’s knees. Lots of people have lost their jobs. Your focus on your holiday preferences seems a bit strange especially given we’re in the second wave!

[Todaythiscouldbe]

@MrsQGinglass

Well to update you all, as my holiday was cancelled by the company that I had booked in April and May, (Holiday year end is June) and we were not allowed to book any holiday while on furlough.

They have allowed me and all other colleagues that are still furloughed to carry their holiday over as the same with all colleagues.

I would like to point out that all those saying that furlough was a holiday, I was forced to take it and I would have rather been at work doing my bit.

Again if you were doing 16 hour days you should be angry with your employer and not your colleagues that would want to be furloughed.

I really don't think it's going to be particularly relevant for you if your attitude at work is the same as online.
And it appears you were always talking about holiday carried from last year to this that you now want to roll over for 2 years instead of helping out your employer and taking it whilst on furlough. The fact your holiday year runs June-June is irrelevant.

[Dishwashersaurous]

I’m assuming that it’s because she said that she is paid more than furlough.

Therefore if she is made redundant then thinks she might get paid for unused annual leave

[NoSquirrels]

I'd still LOVE to know why you want to carry it over, OP, rather than taking it now. Given that you haven't been able to take holiday, apparently. But I think I am destined to be disappointed

[MrsQGinglass]

@pippy3483

Just a thought, in July you posted were very upset about not going with your soon to be ex on holiday, you were on furlough then and as you have said could be called to work in 24 hrs. Silly question, had you gone on holiday, would you still be paid furlough and now still have full AL allowance, hmm let me think.

If you had read that post you would have seen the holiday was taken long before lockdown.

[SueEllenMishke]

It was still a holiday forced or not.

I wasn't even offered the option of furlough so continued working full time while homeschooling a small child ( with the threat of redundancy and pay cuts) I know which scenario was most stressful.

[SantaClaritaDiet]

even if you were forced to it, it was still a holiday...

but thank you for updating.

[Cadent]

What a waste of 417 posts. You should have just waited it seems.

[MrsQGinglass]

Well to update you all, as my holiday was cancelled by the company that I had booked in April and May, (Holiday year end is June) and we were not allowed to book any holiday while on furlough.

They have allowed me and all other colleagues that are still furloughed to carry their holiday over as the same with all colleagues.

I would like to point out that all those saying that furlough was a holiday, I was forced to take it and I would have rather been at work doing my bit.

Again if you were doing 16 hour days you should be angry with your employer and not your colleagues that would want to be furloughed.

[midnightstar66]

Those with childcare/other caring issues were told they could ask to be furloughed from the beginning.

Those people did not have a choice though , they had no options because schools were closed and childcare not available. This was the intention of furlough, to preserve jobs and help the business through that particular time which this was doing. They weren't taking the time because they fancied a break!

[worriedandannoyed]

@Florencex

3). Those who hate everyone that was furloughed regardless of whether they had a choice.

Surely that would be everyone on furlough? I hope nobody was able to decide for themselves whether they should be furloughed, it should be a business needs decision. Anything else would be fraud.

How would it be fraud??

Those with childcare/other caring issues were told they could ask to be furloughed from the beginning.

[Florencex]

3). Those who hate everyone that was furloughed regardless of whether they had a choice.

Surely that would be everyone on furlough? I hope nobody was able to decide for themselves whether they should be furloughed, it should be a business needs decision. Anything else would be fraud.

[kirinm]

@AnyFucker

This thread lends weight to the claim that the UK is turning into (among other things) two groups of people
1) those who have worked all the way through this crisis and will continue to do so. Many of these folk have been indirectly and directly at risk, as have the families they live with.
2) those who have been paid to stay at home. Some of this group have been grateful for this time, some of them have turned into fucking entitled brats who do not know they are born

3) those who hate everyone who were furloughed regardless of whether they had a choice
4) those arseholes who are quick to blame the public for everyone and would happily call the police on their neighbours (or during lockdown - someone out in the park daring to sit).

[myBumJuiceSmellsLikeRoses]

@BinkyBoinky

Sorry but if you've been working flat out covering your furloughed colleagues' work then your company has pulled a fast one on you. The reason people have been furloughed is because their work has dried up. You should be doing just your own work, not your colleagues'.

That's not strictly true. In order to keep the firm running my department was cut by over a third. We couldn't afford to pay 15 people. There wasn't enough work for 15 people. It's a service department (so not one that generates direct profit) and work needed doing. Many, many companies worked on skeleton crews during this time, it's not unusual.

[AnyFucker]

This thread lends weight to the claim that the UK is turning into (among other things) two groups of people

1. those who have worked all the way through this crisis and will continue to do so. Many of these folk have been indirectly and directly at risk, as have the families they live with.
   
2. those who have been paid to stay at home. Some of this group have been grateful for this time, some of them have turned into fucking entitled brats who do not know they are born

[christinarossetti19]

@lakeswimmer

Yes - but I don't need it because I don't need a rest - what with not having been at work for six months

When I was on mat leave I always thought it was odd you could accrue holiday during it and this is no different. I might be legally entitled to it but it's still insensitive to demand to take it in many places of work currently.

Why did you think that was odd, do you mind me asking?

On mat leave, you're still an employee. It would be straightforward discrimination to say that all employees had 30 a/l days a year pro rata except those who are on maternity leave!

When you can take it needs to be negotiated with manager/team of course, but maternity rights were very hard won, we must hold on to them.

[xxscotslassxx]

Lol cyclemania I remember that thread 🤣🤣

It reminded me of the post where person was on maternity leave (recently started if I remember rightly) and was completely incensed and thought it so unfair that they hadn’t been furloughed as it would have been more money!! 🙄🙄

I have a feeling OP may come back and say it’s all sorted - will be able to carry leave over, is going back to work etc just to end the thread given the way things have gone.

[cyclemania]

actually, this reminds me of the post where the OP thought it was normal to take 2 days off a month for her period - and was wondering why she was about to be let go. Exceptional

[cyclemania]

@MrsQGinglass looking forward to the update today once HR has replied. Hope it's the news you're expecting and not the inevitable

[Cantfindafreeusername]

@MrsQGinglass I think I would personally be emailing to ask HR ‘why I hadn’t been bought back to work yet’ rather than query accrued holiday. If you are 1 of just 2 people not back and been asked to use up holiday before the government funding ends I think that’s a clear sign that there is a good chance you won’t be back to carry any holiday over from any year!!!