To want coronavirus to just run it’s course now and get back to normal

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For most of us, we’ll have a cold/feel quite rough for a few days. Dc will barely be effected yet MN is obsessed with shutting schools again. There may be many more deaths from coronavirus still to come, but they’ll be lot’s of deaths from other causes plus massive long term devastation to the economy etc if we carry on like this.

@Flyonawalk

Surely one alternative to restriction is Sweden. They have normality and a death rate below that of the UK.

Death rate only just below the UK - and higher than many other European countries. Look at the stats - it's not the "poster boy" country some people think it is. They've fared far worse than their neighbours such as Norway and Finland.

How do we know how Sweden have fared versus other countries when this isn’t over yet?

I’ll reserve judgment for a year or two I think.

I don't underestimate the impact of restrictive measures on mental health. We all feel it to a certain extent and have friends and family who are really struggling with it.

But I genuinely do not think that anyone's mental health would be improved by allowing Covid to rip through a population. Even a 1% death rate is a staggering number of people in the UK alone, and an overwhelmed NHS unable to treat people coming in with treatable illnesses and injuries.

What people really need for their mental well-being is a return to normality but that can't happen until we have a vaccine.

I agree and i think the time to eradicate it has long gone , the goverment have got some things wrong but even places with different approaches have had it hit them hard , nz did very well at beginning but few cases are appearing now and how long can any country stay locked down for
I don't know what the answer is and most scientist don't fully but when the goverment go with advice like reducing to 6 people are up in arms, everyone has a different view . Lots saying there will be a vaccine,Thats not a guarantee either
I think a lot if people i know are feeling like op

@easterwedding none if them have guaranteed a vaccine though have they ? Have they said 100% that they have a working vaccine thats guaranteed ?

I’m confused
The last I read was that more people were catching it
But it was less deadly,and less people dying from it ,as it was weaker now
Is that not the case

Also it was just last week everyone was eating out half price ,making the most of ,now we are back to worrying about it
How can things change so quickly in a week

We all would like this, but how many families have to loose loved ones on the way?

@chunkymonkey101 the uk prob could prob not afford to have its borders closed until 2021 , what country are you at as each economy is very different and what if this is still around in 2021 do they keep borders closed until 2022, 23 or just until the economy can't cope ??

Well I said YANBU but I think you are underestimating how unwell it can make even averagely healthy adults.
That said, people do need a bit more normality. It’s affecting a lot of people mentally more than perhaps was expected. If only we had a competent government we could be a lot closer though.

@TheDuchessofMalfy what can the goverment do to make this go away now ?

alittleprivacy

@loulouljh I suspect there will NOT be a rush for the vaccine. It will be highly risky having only been tested for a short while. Alot of people will just take their chances I suspect.

It is not a rushed vaccine. It is going through all the normal testing procedures. All that is "rushed" about it is manufacture. All the most promising vaccines are being mass manufactured before they are approved. That way the day they receive proper approval, they will be ready to begin early distribution. Any that do not meet the rigorous requirements for efficacy and safety will be scrapped. To the same end the WHO Covax group is currently working towards ensuring the most fair and effective distribution plan, while countries/trading blocks have already made preliminary purchase orders, such as the 6 the deals the EU has settled.

While many aspects of the vaccine production are sped up to avoid delays. Safety and efficacy testing are not being rushed.“

Exactly right: anyone with concerns about speed, please listen to The Life Scientific (Radio 4, Monday mornings) Sarah Gilbert, head of the Oxford programme, is on.
The development has been through every stage, as always. Except the brilliant people there have worked incredibly effectively and slashed how long it has taken.

@Pixxie7

We all would like this, but how many families have to loose loved ones on the way?

We cannot protect all lives.

If survival was the absolute most important thing, nobody would drive or fly. Nobody would ride motorcycles or climb mountains. Every winter we would lock ourselves away to prevent excess flu deaths. Nobody would drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes or eat fast food.

I'm sorry but death is a part of life: something we all experience. You cannot simply use excess death as a justification for locking down all of society.

YANBU.

I think it should just be let be now, with a big caveat about common sense. Those without common sense and who aren't careful will catch it, and those who are being very careful hopefully won't. I want it to be up to us as individuals now.

You cannot simply use excess death as a justification for locking down all of society.

All of society is not locked down - very far from it.

Why are reasonable precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks seen as an infringement by some? And limiting social contact outside of work to 6 or less people. 6 is a lot.

@FizzAfterSix

The bedwetting is off the scale on Mumsnet. Lockdown has killed more than the virus and destroyed so many lives.

An aside - when did ‘bedwetting’ become the insult of choice for someone you consider to be fearful? And how is it allowed on here? Bedwetting is not caused by being a coward or being overly scared. It’s a medical issue when it happens beyond ‘normal’ toilet training. It’s a minor thing in amongst everything else I’m annoyed about at the moment, but it does grate. People thinking they are superior and using such inappropriate insults. Fucking hate it. Stop ffs.

@Pringlemonster as I understand it one of the big areas of growth in cases is in the young adults who on the whole tend to be less sick. However we are now starting to see an increase in hospitalisations.

The problem is that while the young adults will tend to get less sick that doesnt mean they dont get sick at all. They arent a completely isolated group, they have families, friends.

@Pringlemonster

Also it was just last week everyone was eating out half price ,making the most of ,now we are back to worrying about it How can things change so quickly in a week

Well eating out in a socially distanced way.

It seems some people relaxed too much, and of course schools have gone back too.

And some concern about universities reopening over coming weeks and the impact of all those students moving around the country and maybe not following guidance as strictly as we might hope.

@Pringlemonster

I’m confused The last I read was that more people were catching it But it was less deadly,and less people dying from it ,as it was weaker now Is that not the case

It's not weaker. Fatality rates appear lower because testing is increasing. Plus most infections are now in a younger demographic, who are less at risk. And care has improved as we've learned more about it.

@Overwhelmed222

You cannot simply use excess death as a justification for locking down all of society.

All of society is not locked down - very far from it.

Why are reasonable precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks seen as an infringement by some? And limiting social contact outside of work to 6 or less people. 6 is a lot.

The country is locked down. Boris is restricting our social interaction; theatres, concerts and sporting events are closed to crowds. Perhaps you don't leave the house or have any friends, but we are still very much locked down.

I simply cannot respect anybody who views GOVERNMENT ENFORCED mask-wearing and social interaction restrictions as "reasonable precautions". Can you not see how the ratchet is being turned? Maybe you should move to North Korea; I think you may like it there.

You may relish being told how many people you can interact with by big daddy government, but some of us out there have a backbone and will reject the bullshit restrictions.

"I'm sorry but death is a part of life: something we all experience. You cannot simply use excess death as a justification for locking down all of society."

You can if the excess deaths runs to 1% of the population and causes healthcare to buckle.

You might not care about the elderly or vulnerable - which includes your pregnant colleague, children with cancer and so on, just incase you start to see yourself as a decent human being - but you might care when your kid dies of something treatable because hospitals are overwhelmed.

Wear a mask. Meet up with no more than five friends. Wash your hands. Try to think of periods of history when people really had to step up, compare what you are being asked to do with what they did, try not to talk like a sociopath.

@gje943 what a load of rubbish - everything you have said in your post to me - not worth responding to.

@rawlikesushi

"I'm sorry but death is a part of life: something we all experience. You cannot simply use excess death as a justification for locking down all of society."

You can if the excess deaths runs to 1% of the population and causes healthcare to buckle.

You might not care about the elderly or vulnerable - which includes your pregnant colleague, children with cancer and so on, just incase you start to see yourself as a decent human being - but you might care when your kid dies of something treatable because hospitals are overwhelmed.

Wear a mask. Meet up with no more than five friends. Wash your hands. Try to think of periods of history when people really had to step up, compare what you are being asked to do with what they did, try not to talk like a sociopath.

1% of the population is about 700,000. We're not even close to that figure and never will be.

Why don't we have a permanent lockdown forever in order to protect the vulnerable and reduce deaths?

If that's too much for you, why not lockdown every winter to prevent the tens of thousand of flu deaths we see each year?

You can quit the sanctimonious crap. I live in the real world where, sadly, some people are vulnerable and they die. It sucks but THAT'S LIFE. We cannot stop society to completely protect these (relatively few) people.

Nah, sorry. We're having a gathering next month for my grandma's 80th birthday. There will be quite a few people there. How does it feel knowing an 80 year old woman has more backbone than yourself?

I'm finding it fascinating to see the influx of new MNers, many of whom only post threads about CV - and so many joining in with similarly short, single interest, posting histories.

Anyway I'll stick to taking my advice regarding Cv from Chris Witty.

[quote Overwhelmed222]@gje943 what a load of rubbish - everything you have said in your post to me - not worth responding to.[/quote]
I thought your post was a load of bollocks also, yet I still responded to it.

Unlike you I'm not scared of people with differing opinions. I'm also not scared of a virus with 0.1% mortality rate.