To want coronavirus to just run it’s course now and get back to normal

[rosieposiepud]

For most of us, we’ll have a cold/feel quite rough for a few days. Dc will barely be effected yet MN is obsessed with shutting schools again. There may be many more deaths from coronavirus still to come, but they’ll be lot’s of deaths from other causes plus massive long term devastation to the economy etc if we carry on like this.

Unless you have a big brother system.

So you’re against that for traffic, but happy with what we’ve done for Covid.

🤣🤣🤣

You actually couldn’t make that up.

I’ve read plenty on Covid. I don’t deny it’s seriousness. I find the lack of proportion around it compared to other many categories of preventable deaths in our society absolutely extraordinary.

Deaths/major injuries from RTAs have reduced from years ago even though there is much more traffic. If the measures introduced over the years hadn’t happened there would be more deaths.

Point is there are obvious things we could do to reduce them further. And at 1.3 million a year globally, they are very substantial.

But we’ve applied a cost benefit analysis and decided it isn’t worth it. Like we've done for many other sources of preventable deaths.

So you’re against that for traffic, but happy with what we’ve done for Covid.

Please expand on this.

And tell me where you get the numbers of traffic accidents per day in the UK, for example, that you get from covid without control measures.

@rawlikesushi well you need to real elsewhere as its not 10000 it averages a fair bit higher than that but also varies from year to year so some years are a lot worse than others

But we’ve applied a cost benefit analysis and decided it isn’t worth it. Like we've done for many other sources of preventable deaths.

If you were indeed reading about COVID, you'd know that cost benefit analyses have been done and are being done around the world.
Countries have come out of lockdowns, tests aren't being done to everyone, not even to all with symptoms, not all sick people are being put in hospital, plane travel is still allowed, public transport is still running, non-medical masks are being used by the population.

Why are you saying the same cost benefit analyses aren't being applied for covid?
If you can recognise how they are applied elsewhere, why can't you recognise they are also applied in this case?

This was a storm and it hasn't gone away, just eased out in some areas, thanks to measures implemented.

@Notfeelinggreattoday

www.greenwichccg.nhs.uk/News-Publications/news/Pages/Around-10,000-deaths-are-caused-by-flu-each-year-in-England-and-Wales.aspx

Overwhelmed222

@gje943 what a load of rubbish - everything you have said in your post to me - not worth responding to.“

Indeed.

Point is there are obvious things we could do to reduce them further. And at 1.3 million a year globally, they are very substantial

Considering all the money ALREADY invested in road traffic accident prevention, from actual roads to driving tests and the actual cars, I'm not sure your things are that obvious.
You're also not going to spend the same amount of money on PPE for covid this year as you've spent on the safety aspects of your car (or the bus/train company if you don't drive), including brakes.

COVID is already at 928,333 recorded deaths globally.

At about 4000 deaths per day, with control measures, now, it will reach 1300000 well before the end of the year.

Alittleprivacy, another 'thank you' from me. I'm heartsick of all the sensationalist, attention-seeking twaddle from some, I appreciate your considered and informative post so much.

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@rawlikesushi well you need to real elsewhere as its not 10000 it averages a fair bit higher than that but also varies from year to year so some years are a lot worse than others[/quote]
Oh gosh thanks for explaining that the NHS was talking in averages. I really thought it meant exactly 10,000 every year, exactly, not 9999 or 10001. Yes, I see now that you are absolutely right - sometimes it is more and sometimes it is less.

One problem we’ll be facing over the next few months is that the flu season will soon be upon us, so the NHS could easily be overwhelmed if we don’t take precautions to protect ourselves from COVID. That’s why the government have been encouraging us to have the flu jab.

Where schools are concerned, it isn’t the children people are worrying about (apart from those with vulnerabilities of course). A lot of parents, myself included, have vulnerabilities and are genuinely worried about catching COVID. I’ve only recently started recovering properly from the long-term COVID symptoms I’ve had for 6 months and the last thing I want is to go down with it again (we don’t know whether there is immunity after having it).

But understandably, teachers are the most anxious, and there will be a lot of them who are vulnerable, some of whom were previously shielding. Especially secondary school teachers, who teach multiple different classes in a day.

I want schools to stay open, my DDs really do need their routine of going every day. But the concerns being expressed are perfectly understandable, as the virus definitely won’t be going away anytime soon.

In Asia since SARS it’s been common for people to wear face masks throughout the winter, especially if they have any cold symptoms. That’s easier than a lockdown.

I agree. But too many people can't or won't wear face masks.

Re flu, I had a very bad bout in the spring last year that turned into pneumonia. I was very nearly hospitalised, and I’ve been left with CFS since then. This led to me having long-term Covid this year.

It’s clear that flu is more of a risk to children and young people than Covid but that’s not the case for other age groups, apart from the elderly and vulnerable groups. The difference there of course is that there is a flu jab available, so it’s impossible to compare the two.

A more genuine comparison is with what’s happened on the past when the flu jab doesn’t work because it was against the wrong flu strain. This happened in the winter of 2017-2018, and there were 50,000 deaths.

I think the biggest issue, though, is that, unlike Covid, flu doesn’t spread so rapidly as Covid, as it doesn’t spread asymptomatically. People also have to stay in bed so they don’t tend to go about outside spreading their germs.

Sweden all the way - its the only long term option and you knows it!

@user1471500037

Sweden all the way - its the only long term option and you knows it!

Sweden as a country has characteristics that mean that what worked there won't necessarily apply elsewhere. Certainly not the UK. Just the people per household distribution alone means that the transmission dynamics will be different.

Dr Anthony Fauci: UK was ‘smart’ to drop herd immunity strategy | LBC

Donald Trump’s leading coronavirus expert Dr Anthony Fauci has told LBC that the UK’s initial herd immunity strategy “didn’t work” and ministers were “smart” to change tack.

In an exclusive interview with LBC’s Tom Swarbrick on Sunday, when asked about the UK’s response, White House Covid-19 adviser Dr Fauci said he is constantly asked that question about the US handling of the crisis, adding: “You could have always done better.”

“It’s very interesting because I get asked that a lot about our response. You could always have done better. I think what the UK did at the beginning they thought they would perhaps go the herd immunity route and let there be infections but that didn’t work. They were smart enough to say wait a minute, we’ve got to reverse our strategy and then I think they did as well as anyone could expect.

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It seems to me that apart from the absence of vaccine, there are two major differences between this and flu:

It is much more common for people infected with Covid to be asymptomatic but still infectious- this requires a very different kind of planning.

While it is not unheard of for sufferers of flu to develop various kind of long term conditions, it is far more common with Covid sufferers. This means we are likely to end up with a large number of people who need longterm rehabilitation in addition to the deaths and the patients in ICU. This will put an additional strain on the NHS.

Yes, the long-term effects of Covid for some people, like me, have finally been acknowledged. If the virus is allowed to spread unchecked, there is a risk of a lot more people ending up on long-term sickness benefit, which would be very costly for the economy. You only need to read the ongoing thread about long-term Covid on the Coronavirus board to find out how debilitating it can be.

@Jaxhog

In Asia since SARS it’s been common for people to wear face masks throughout the winter, especially if they have any cold symptoms. That’s easier than a lockdown.

I agree. But too many people can't or won't wear face masks.

People used to refuse to wear seatbelts. People used to drink and drive. People used to smoke around children. People used to ignore domestic violence.

Things change.

Facemasks will become more normal. The number of naysayers will reduce, not to zero but it will reduce.

@user1471500037

Sweden all the way - its the only long term option and you knows it!

Sweden's deaths are only just behind the UK, so they're really not doing that well after all. They're far higher than their neighbours, Norway and Finland.

Suddenly lots of people who couldn't find Sweden on a map of Scandinavia are apparently better placed to judge how successful/replicable their policy was than actual scientists and economists in the UK.

@TheKeatingFive

Most traffic accidents would be preventable by drivers not being stupid (dangerous or careless driving) but I'd love to know how you'd easily prevent this

You could set a much lower speed limit across the board and particularly in urban areas. You could have substantial fines for violations and a one strike and you’re out rule if you break the law. You could test people every year.

That’s just off the top of my head. Nothing like as extreme as picking down large chunks of the globe and it would save many lives. But we don’t care enough to do that.

It's been proved that lower speed limits can actually increase accidents in some situations. They cause traffic to "bunch" and make it harder for people to cross the road and traffic to join the road, thus making people take risks.

Most road deaths are caused by drivers basically killing themselves and others in the car with them, i.e. drink/drug driving, lack of concentration, speeding, no driving licence, etc etc. - relatively few people are killed outside the vehicle. So, most people who get killed put themselves in that position either by choosing to drive or choosing to get into the car with a driver who's unfit for whatever reason.

Compare that with entirely "innocent" people who catch covid by mere misfortune of someone contagious getting too close to them.

See the difference?

Sorry user1497207191 that was sort of to you, and not about you, iyswim.

@Heyahun

😂😂😂yeah that would be great if it would just Go away!

It’s not just a bad cold for a few days - I’m 30 and had it a few months back - I was ill for a month - way worse than any flu or cold I had! People need to stop saying it’s just like a bad cold.

My 40 year old friend was in intensive care and is still in bits months later - nearly died - no underlying health conditions.

It hasn’t been that long - 6 months life has been like this. It really isn’t a big deal! Slowing it down gives us time to try work towards a vaccine - save older people’s lives!

I’d happily live like this another year if it meant it kept my parents safe and alive for longer - they have many years ahead of them I hope - but people like you think they should just take their chances and potentially die from the virus because you want to go back to normal. Ffs

This 100%

Marseille's Covid-19 hospital beds 'close to saturation'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54151281

But some fools still think we should take no action and let it run it's course.