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To want coronavirus to just run it’s course now and get back to normal

269 replies

rosieposiepud · 13/09/2020 09:26

For most of us, we’ll have a cold/feel quite rough for a few days. Dc will barely be effected yet MN is obsessed with shutting schools again. There may be many more deaths from coronavirus still to come, but they’ll be lot’s of deaths from other causes plus massive long term devastation to the economy etc if we carry on like this.

OP posts:
LouiseNW · 14/09/2020 21:11

“In Asia since SARS it’s been common for people to wear face masks throughout the winter, especially if they have any cold symptoms. That’s easier than a lockdown.“

Long before SARS. We have been spending time in Hong Kong, Singapore and particularly Japan since 1983, when mask wearing was common place, certainly in virus season. Passing on coughs and colds was even then very much a no no.

MadameBlobby · 14/09/2020 23:58

@LouiseNW

“In Asia since SARS it’s been common for people to wear face masks throughout the winter, especially if they have any cold symptoms. That’s easier than a lockdown.“

Long before SARS. We have been spending time in Hong Kong, Singapore and particularly Japan since 1983, when mask wearing was common place, certainly in virus season. Passing on coughs and colds was even then very much a no no.

I thought they wore masks there as their air quality is so poor.
PurpleTrilby · 15/09/2020 00:01

Well tough. It doesn't fucking work like that. Do you want a medal or something? Welcome to adulthood.

PurpleTrilby · 15/09/2020 00:10

PS take a year off, just one fucking year. Your human rights do not include holidays abroad. You are an arrogant cunt if you think you need a holiday before I get vaccinated and can therefore take care of people who rely on me totally. From Italy in ski season to Greece in summer, fuck yeah, let's party! Please, grow up.

Guylan · 15/09/2020 00:42

Sorry posted above too soon. The twitter link has Dr Mike Ryan from the W.H.O giving reasons why we should prevent as many CV cases as possible. Says still unclear what the long term health complications may be for people who have the virus including those mildly effected. Heart problems, post viral exercise intolerance in some (aspect of long CoVid) etc..

twitter.com/drzoehyde/status/1305394267712450560?s=21I

Goosefoot · 15/09/2020 01:35

@TheKeatingFive

Most traffic accidents would be preventable by drivers not being stupid (dangerous or careless driving) but I'd love to know how you'd easily prevent this

You could set a much lower speed limit across the board and particularly in urban areas. You could have substantial fines for violations and a one strike and you’re out rule if you break the law. You could test people every year.

That’s just off the top of my head. Nothing like as extreme as picking down large chunks of the globe and it would save many lives. But we don’t care enough to do that.

Some of those things, like lower speed limits, have been seriously advocated for by some too.

The fact is we often could do more, and we have to make choices about what is worthwhile, and that involves a value judgement.

And it's always part of that judgement that 100% of people die. Younger people often from things like accidents, but the elderly die from things like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and very often the frail elderly die of things like flu, small infections, and pneumonia (called "the old person's friend" which is interesting and worth thinking about.)

This is the problem with people just saying that well, we can reduce Civid deaths by x, y, or z, and if we can we have an obligation to do so. It's a cop out, there are all kinds of things we could do to prevent certain types of death, but in every case there is a weighing of all kinds of factors. I personally think that driving fast is a lot less important than some of the things we are contemplating giving up now - the only thing that makes the latter plausible is if it is short term.

But pretending as if anyone making a judgement weighing the effects is a bad person is being pretty unreasonable since we all do it all the time.

110APiccadilly · 15/09/2020 05:55

I'm sure long Covid is not fun. But is it worse than depression (which lockdown is causing)? I've had post-viral fatigue issues before, and I'd rather have them again than have depression.

This stuff is all a balance, and you cannot just argue for more and more lockdown and pretend that won't kill people too. Not overwhelming the NHS is a sensible reason to restrict people's lives short term. Truth to get zero Covid is not, imo, a sensible reason to restrict basic human rights and freedoms for an extended period.

Mittens030869 · 15/09/2020 06:18

I have long Covid as well as MH issues. I also have 2 adopted DDs (11 and 8) who need to be in school. There are no answers, apart from the government getting their act together with regards to track and trace, and local lockdowns where there are hotspots.

You only need to see what's going on in other parts of the world to know that this virus really hasn't gone away, and will continue to be a problem until there's a vaccine.

RepeatSwan · 15/09/2020 07:14

[quote Guylan]Sorry posted above too soon. The twitter link has Dr Mike Ryan from the W.H.O giving reasons why we should prevent as many CV cases as possible. Says still unclear what the long term health complications may be for people who have the virus including those mildly effected. Heart problems, post viral exercise intolerance in some (aspect of long CoVid) etc..

twitter.com/drzoehyde/status/1305394267712450560?s=21I[/quote]
I was going to post this!

Young people could have serious loss of life or lower quality of life later. The biggest myth about covid is you either die or are fine. We could be talking about covid for decades if it is implicated in heart damage.

The bit that most resonated with me is 'why take an unquantifiable risk?'

user1497207191 · 15/09/2020 09:30

@110APiccadilly

I'm sure long Covid is not fun. But is it worse than depression (which lockdown is causing)? I've had post-viral fatigue issues before, and I'd rather have them again than have depression.

This stuff is all a balance, and you cannot just argue for more and more lockdown and pretend that won't kill people too. Not overwhelming the NHS is a sensible reason to restrict people's lives short term. Truth to get zero Covid is not, imo, a sensible reason to restrict basic human rights and freedoms for an extended period.

Zero covid was never the aim. The aim was to get and keep "R" below 1. We achieved that but it's now increased again. R needs to be below 1 so we don't trigger exponential growth.
user1497207191 · 15/09/2020 09:32

@Mittens030869

I have long Covid as well as MH issues. I also have 2 adopted DDs (11 and 8) who need to be in school. There are no answers, apart from the government getting their act together with regards to track and trace, and local lockdowns where there are hotspots.

You only need to see what's going on in other parts of the world to know that this virus really hasn't gone away, and will continue to be a problem until there's a vaccine.

Well, there are answers, such as people maintaining social distance when they can, wearing masks, washing their hands, avoiding large gatherings etc. Unfortunately, people have got lazy with these simple precautions and infection rates are now growing again.
Mittens030869 · 15/09/2020 10:54

Sorry, I was meaning to say that for the reasons I gave we can't return to normal, hence the need to socially distance and wear masks for the foreseeable. Because we have no way of knowing who is carrying the virus asymptomatically. I should have been clear on that.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 16/09/2020 11:06

Okay you can continue to blindly follow the advice of the government advisor. If he told you Covid hovered 3ft above the ground, I bet you'd walk around on your hands and knees because the govt instructed you to
@gje943. So you saw the cartoon than. Very popular amonst conspiracy theorists.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 16/09/2020 11:11

You'll get slammed on here OP , they want to report their neighbours and lock their kids indoors for the foreseeable future. Grin

IAteAlltheAvocadoPears · 16/09/2020 11:43

@SylvanianFrenemies

Of course we all want it over with.

People with vulnerabilities, and elderly people, are not all at death's door anyway. I am intending to have another 50+ years of life, and I don't think asking people to give up a few parties is too much. Same goes for my 80yo aunt. She might have 6 months or 6 years, or more, but no need to make her suffer and hasten her death.

For those with an empathy bypass, it is also worth considering that if us dispensible people are filling up ITU and using the ventilators, what happens if your family is in a car accident or your child falls in a river?

We need to get the balance right, and mental health and economic considerations are important. It would be a good start if people would just fucking follow the rules on social distancing, mask wearing etc unless they genuinely cannot. I dont have much sympathy for those who post selfies where everyone is piled in cheek by jowl then moan about the possibility of more draconian measures.

Agree with most of what you have said but my mother's cousin couldn't have cancer treatment due to the covid virus in hoapitals. she had an aggressive form of it and may have passed anyway but I feel sad that she was never given the chance of treatment and maybe could have gone on a good few years
IAteAlltheAvocadoPears · 16/09/2020 11:46

I am happy.to follow guidelines on hygiene social distancing etc in a balanced way but am sick of hospitals pausing treatment for those of us with chronic disabling illnesses because of covid

IAteAlltheAvocadoPears · 16/09/2020 11:50

@Mittens030869

I have long Covid as well as MH issues. I also have 2 adopted DDs (11 and 8) who need to be in school. There are no answers, apart from the government getting their act together with regards to track and trace, and local lockdowns where there are hotspots.

You only need to see what's going on in other parts of the world to know that this virus really hasn't gone away, and will continue to be a problem until there's a vaccine.

long term physical and MH issues for me also and I need care few hours per week due to my disabilities. I completely understand that there are no answers... Flowers
Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 17/09/2020 05:43

From my own straw poll - and I’m in scotland - the vast majority of people don’t support any future restrictions. This includes the highly vulnerable. I think scotland has some of the toughest restrictions in the world right now. We can’t even meet more than one household outside. I think this is unforgivable.

I’m not exaggerating when I say there seems to be a brewing MH crisis amongst my circle. My friend watched her mum die horribly of cancer which wasn’t properly treated due to covid. Teenagers sectioned. Young children not fully managing a day at school. Rampant depression. Business owners utterly woeful at watching their life work collapse.

There is now no support. These people have no intention of not seeing families now. And no one will shop them as no one agrees.

It’s time to realise that to suppress is to destroy all that we hold dear about life and that makes life not worth living.

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