To ask what you think about a British government openly declaring that it will break international law?

[Pepperwort]

This is regarding Johnson’s government’s new stated dislike of the Withdrawal agreement, which Johnson turfed May out over, negotiated, and signed.

For those not watching the news (living under rocks as it’s the top headline), the new Internal Market Bill they are presenting has a clause to the effect that any international law or court can be ignored at will. There are severe repercussions for the GFA and NI. The government have openly confirmed they will break the Withdrawal Agreement and any international law they don’t like. The EU has of course objected, and Gove has confirmed the government does not care. Not only could this scupper talks with the EU, but with the US, who have always been broadly supportive of Northern Ireland. It damages our international reputation in general and risks us being seen as a rogue state. This is beyond political posturing, just as it is beyond the old remain/ leave arguments, because we have already left. A former Tory leader and lord has spoken against it.

For voting, let’s say it’s aimed at the government. So YABU - Britain should not start its independent existence as a sovereign state by breaking laws. YANBU - go ahead, international laws are there for the breaking.

No, I don't - I think Grimsby are being rewarded for their Brexit vote

So that's your link?

The Brexit dividend is Grimsby getting money because it supported Brexit.

There is a word for that...

Of course places like Grimsby etc need investment, It should have happened before Brexit (and it may well have done)

And it's good to recognise that places like Grimsby voted to Leave because of issues and have received investment.

But don't patronise us and tell us that a direct benefit of Brexit is investment there.

Because that could have happened with or without Brexit.

Still - places like Grimsby are probably fucked with the effect of this pandemic.

All linked to Brexit in my opinion;

Jan 2020
"UK north-east ports may be market share winners from Brexit."

"ABP, which owns four Humber ports, is continuing to advance a series of investment projects worth more than £50m across their facilities in the region."

"As the east coast prepares for growth, Brexit considerations are continuing to lure businesses away from the busy ports of the south-east, where extra congestion is anticipated."

theloadstar.com/uk-north-east-ports-may-be-market-share-winners-from-brexit/

"As a further contribution to the Kasbah's regeneration, ABP will develop services to support new renewable energy industries, including a Marine Support Centre for energy workers.We will provide support and advice to the Great Grimsby Ice Factory Trust and partners to create a future for the Ice Factory, an important building at risk which stands at the gateway to the Kasbah."

historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/heritage-action-zones/greater-grimsby/

"Regional inequality is a dominant feature of the UK’s current economic landscape."

"Despite the uncertainty, leaving the European Union also brings an opportunity: a chance to redesign regional funding and create sustainable and inclusive regional economies."

www.ippr.org/research/publications/regional-funding-after-brexit

Feb 2019;
"The Heritage Lottery Fund has announced that more than three-quarters of its funding decisions will be devolved across the UK, as well as unveiling a new identity as the National Lottery Heritage Fund (NLHF)."

"The funder’s strategic framework for 2019 to 2024 says that committees and senior staff in Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, and three newly-defined English regional areas (North; Midlands and East; and London and South) will decide how to direct around 80% of the £1bn set aside to support heritage over the five years.The devolved areas–which previously controlled only half of decisions–will also take full control of all funding decisions of up to £5m for the first time."

"The framework also introduces a requirement for" ... "greater engagement and support for 13 deprived communities across the UK that have historically been less successful in securing funding."

"So, we will be making more decisions on funding locally and focusing on the heritage that really matters to people, creating jobs, bringing economic prosperity and improving people’s lives right across the UK.”

"The NLHF announcement comes as opinion grows that lottery funding decisions should be more closely related to the communities that buy the lottery tickets. It follows recent calls by the Movement for Cultural Democracy for more devolution and transparency, and for lottery funding distribution to be “returned to the people”.

"Speaking in December, a representative for the movement said such action would ensure a “fair and equitable” access to cultural resources, preventing decisions being made by “anonymous and unaccountable quangos”.

www.artsprofessional.co.uk/news/heritage-lottery-funding-be-further-devolved#:~:text=The%20Heritage%20Lottery%20Fund%20has,Lottery%20Heritage%20Fund%20(NLHF).

espite the uncertainty, leaving the European Union also brings an opportunity: a chance to redesign regional funding and create sustainable and inclusive regional economies

Are you saying that it was difficult to create sustainable and inclusive regional economies whilst were in the EU?

Regional inequality is a dominant feature of the UK’s current economic landscape

Yes - and that has fuck all to do with being in the EU and much more to do with Westminster itself.

Are you saying that it was difficult to create sustainable and inclusive regional economies whilst were in the EU?

No, but Brexit was the catalyst.

I don't know why you fucking bother cutting and pasting all this stuff.

Who are you trying to convince?

No, but Brexit was the catalyst

That I agree with - and it's a shame that it took Brexit for it to happen.

Of course - the EU itself recognised the issues and was investing in areas that were deprived.

It's a shame the British Government didn't recognise that.

The Government of the last decade could have focused on regional economies at any time - the catalyst wasn't needed.

Of course it is needed now because of to replace EU subsidies and counteract a more complicated, lengthy and expensive import/exports.

Brexit has cost - and will continue to cost - more than we paid in.

It's a shame the British Government didn't recognise that.

From what I gather, the Labour Party are often accused of being London centrist as well.

From what I gather, the Labour Party are often accused of being London centrist as well

This stems back over decades.

Still - going back to the OP, what did you think of Buckland this morning.

He was pathetic on Marr. Simon Coveney spelt out clearly what breaking International Law - and a trade treaty means.

The Conservatives have been in power for a decade. That is sufficient time to get the ball rolling on regional inequality.

This is a new one to add to the "It's ok to break international law in a specific and limited way"

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1305070622343561221?s=21

So Buckland, the Lord Chancellor , will only resign if he sees the rule of law being broken "in a way that I find unacceptable"

Riiiiiiight

The question would be where that money is going and where it will end up. Somehow I doubt it will fix pot holes, provide a world-beating health service and housing for all or education. I would be very happy to be proven wrong. Empiricism suggests I won’t be.

@chomalungma

I don't know why you fucking bother cutting and pasting all this stuff.

Who are you trying to convince?

It’s shifted the topic quite successfully, off a government breaking international commitments that they themselves negotiated, and their administrative incompetence generally.

Tories always claim to be stronger on economics, but the empirical results are out there for all to see on our streets.

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/pelosi-holds-the-cards-when-it-comes-to-a-us-uk-trade-deal-1.4352635

Congress will prove to be difficult to convince if the UK breaks the deal by the sounds of things coming from Pelosi and Neal.

What’s the excuse for taking away Human Rights that the rest of Europe enjoys away from British citizens again, clavinova?

How many more rights are we going to have taken away?

chomalungma
Who are you trying to convince?

SabrinaThwaite apparently - didn't she ask me the same question two or three times?

Pepperwort
What’s the excuse for taking away Human Rights that the rest of Europe enjoys.

Germany;
"Coronavirus: What went wrong at Germany's Gütersloh meat factory?"

"Around 2,000 staff living in the nearby village of Verl are now literally fenced off from the world, with metal gates erected in front of their high-rise flats and terraced houses. Police and security officials keep guard. No-one can leave for at least a week."

"We're European as well. We have rights. You can't put us behind a fence," one Bulgarian man shouts;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53177628

I don’t need convincing @Clavinova

HLF applications have to meet stringent criteria - just because a deprived area meets a deprivation criteria does not make HLF a “reward for voting Brexit”.

It’s more likely that someone in Grimsby has (a) identified suitable projects and (b) knows how to write a successful application.

And that’s from personal experience of being involved in HLF funding applications.

You’re welcome to your “opinion”, but it is just that - an opinion.

@chomalungma -Who are you trying to convince?

It seems to me that Clav is cut and pasting stuff that contain a couple of keywords pertaining to the discussion but if you actually read them, they are rarely relevant. I assume the intent is to derail the discussion and to minimise the actions of the UK government by claiming everyone else is doing the same.

Clav does not appear to actually read the content of the links because they often say the opposite of what he/she is claiming. It's a tabloid tactic really - assume the reader will only read the controversial headline.

I was not talking about the limitations to freedom imposed by a pandemic as I think you know. I’m talking about the proposed opt-out ofHuman Rights Law and dropping out of all law enforcement cooperation with Europe. Cooperations that have granted us peace and security here since the end of WW2.

What laws are going to replace it? What courts are going to guarantee it? How do ordinary British working people access them in a time when it’s well-known that their capacity to access mechanisms of legal redress and protections is falling?

Ahh, Clavinova, I thought you'd pop up defending anything and everything BJ and co do.
Let me guess (haven't scrolled back) loads of obscure copy and paste and but, but, but... Labour? Honestly, Boris could come round and murder all your children and you'd defend him.
Have you mentioned what a great job he did keeping covid out of care homes yet? Or how he's a man of honesty and integrity, both politically and personally? We all know how much you love the Tories.

OchonAgusOchonO
Clav does not appear to actually read the content of the links because they often say the opposite of what he/she is claiming. It's a tabloid tactic really

I do read my links! I copy and paste because other posters don't read them.

Pepperwort
Ask Theresa May - her idea I think - I have to go out now.

I am surprised Clavinova hasn't mentioned Corbyn yet.

We are a laughing stock in the world right now.
We are making ourselves out not to be trusted.
We are going to fuck up any trade deal with other countries.

But hey....who gives a fuck.

@Clavinova - I do read my links! I copy and paste because other posters don't read them.

Then that is scary as they often don't say what you claim they're saying or support the point you appear to be trying to make or have any direct relevance to the topic.

So is it that you don't understand what you're reading or that you think people won't read what you're pasting and will accept your headline or assume it's relevant?