To ask what you think about a British government openly declaring that it will break international law?

[Pepperwort]

This is regarding Johnson’s government’s new stated dislike of the Withdrawal agreement, which Johnson turfed May out over, negotiated, and signed.

For those not watching the news (living under rocks as it’s the top headline), the new Internal Market Bill they are presenting has a clause to the effect that any international law or court can be ignored at will. There are severe repercussions for the GFA and NI. The government have openly confirmed they will break the Withdrawal Agreement and any international law they don’t like. The EU has of course objected, and Gove has confirmed the government does not care. Not only could this scupper talks with the EU, but with the US, who have always been broadly supportive of Northern Ireland. It damages our international reputation in general and risks us being seen as a rogue state. This is beyond political posturing, just as it is beyond the old remain/ leave arguments, because we have already left. A former Tory leader and lord has spoken against it.

For voting, let’s say it’s aimed at the government. So YABU - Britain should not start its independent existence as a sovereign state by breaking laws. YANBU - go ahead, international laws are there for the breaking.

Remember the three members who escaped from the police after vandalising a restaurant in 1987?

Well OK, I have just found a reference to that incident - a potted plant was thrown through a restaurant window - vandalism, but hardly in the same league as the other accusations in your links;

"The Bullingdon Club are notorious for smashing things up on their lavish and wild socials. One night, a potted plant was thrown through a restaurant window and two members of the club ended up in police cells."

"Young Boris told people he was one of those to get locked up, writes Sonia Purnell in her biography "Just Boris: A Tale of Blond Ambition". However, friends say it was just Johnson trying to live up to a reputation."

Interesting on Lincolnshire

www.greaterlincolnshirelep.co.uk/funding-and-projects/eu-funding/

Funding allocation of €143.2 million (2014-2020) focuses on large scale, co-ordinated strategic schemes, which give maximum impact against both specific EU themes and our Strategic Economic Plan.
All LEPs were asked by Government to produce a local European Structural & Investment Fund (ESIF) Strategy, identifying priorities to improve productivity and create jobs. The Greater Lincolnshire ESIF strategy was updated and finalised in April 2016.
The three strands of European Funds are (1) European Regional Development Fund (ERDF); (2) European Social Fund (ESF); and (3) the European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development (EAFRD).
Further to the EU referendum, the chancellor confirmed that the Government will guarantee EU Funding for Structural and Investment Funds (ESIF) projects signed after the Autumn Statement which will continue after we have left the EU.

Projects have funding secured if the agreement is signed before the UK departs the EU, is in line with the domestic strategic priorities and offers good value for money. For post EU funding plans, see the UK Shared Prosperity Fund

I wonder if that agreement has been signed?

EU funding is UK money sent back to us - we are/were net contributors.

@Clavinova

EU funding is UK money sent back to us - we are/were net contributors.

But you were claiming that HLF was as a result of Brexit?

Please do explain.

EU funding is UK money sent back to us - we are/were net contributors

Oh God, do you want to rerun the whole debate?

I guess you are the kind of person who would refuse to pay the £5 to get into a car boot sale where you can easily trade goods without barriers and claim you've saved £5. But not traded your goods.

I guess you are the kind of person who would refuse to pay the £5 to get into a car boot sale where you can easily trade goods without barriers and claim you've saved £5. But not traded your goods.

Good analogy

@Clavinova

Remember the three members who escaped from the police after vandalising a restaurant in 1987?

Well OK, I have just found a reference to that incident - a potted plant was thrown through a restaurant window - vandalism, but hardly in the same league as the other accusations in your links;

"The Bullingdon Club are notorious for smashing things up on their lavish and wild socials. One night, a potted plant was thrown through a restaurant window and two members of the club ended up in police cells."

"Young Boris told people he was one of those to get locked up, writes Sonia Purnell in her biography "Just Boris: A Tale of Blond Ambition". However, friends say it was just Johnson trying to live up to a reputation."

I doubt the Bulls were any patch on today's youth. Check out the behaviour (despite Covid) on the beach in Greece, Spain and Bulgaria etc. Only difference is today's students come from a diversity of heritage/backgrounds and may not all master Received Pronunciation trust funded nor have as discerning gastronomic and fine dining sophistication nor fly business or first class but cheapo jet etc. Nor were the Bullingdon secret society foolish enough to use mass online media (bit before it became mainstream) to showcase their exploits.

chomalungma
For post EU funding plans, see the UK Shared Prosperity Fund

There is a link on the page;

"The Government has guaranteed an extension to the European Structural Investment Funds regardless of the Brexit outcome, meaning that the LEP continues to plan for all outcomes, and to deliver with confidence, whatever the EU exit scenario."

"At the same time local discussions have begun on shaping future succession funds in Greater Lincolnshire and are looking afresh at the new opportunities post Brexit could have for our area."

www.greaterlincolnshirelep.co.uk/funding-and-projects/uk-shared-prosperity-fund/

@Clavinova

So you'll agree that Brexit has NOTHING to do with investment in Grimsby then - and the Government could have invested in it if it wanted to, and it seems that the EU already invested in Grimsby?

Yes, let’s blame “today’s youth”.

Nor were the Bullingdon secret society foolish enough to use mass online media

Can you please point me to the the “mass online media” that would have been busy exposing the Johnson era Bullingdon Boys in 1987?

I'm neither public school nor Oxford nor Bullingdon
but I was a Hereford Arms Sloane when we were at our most obnoxious
and I am a direct contemporary with many of those in power today

anybody who tries to say that it was not extreme bad behaviour
was not there

Throwing a potted plant which is either heavy enough or thrown hard enough to go through a window, has consequences... to the people sitting on the inside.

So Bojo did this to protect a reputation and thats all ok with you?

I think if Bojo turned out to be another Saville, you'd be on here pasting an article about Fred West....

@SabrinaThwaite

Yes, let’s blame “today’s youth”.

Nor were the Bullingdon secret society foolish enough to use mass online media

Can you please point me to the the “mass online media” that would have been busy exposing the Johnson era Bullingdon Boys in 1987?

Not blaming the youth but just a reference to scientific community concerns as supposedly the most likely Covid super spreading demographic is of a certain age profile as youth and young adults are more healthy than older populations and have a tendency (not all!) to have closer and more frequent associations with each other in all settings. Lots of reports online suggesting this as not just global Covid scientific mathematical modelling. Universities on notice to assist in eradication of campus super spreading as indeed Cambridge is offering tests to combat dangers.

Bit about the late 1980s taken out of context as the very next rest of the sentence suggesting bit before advent of online social media. However if digital social media was around back in the day I doubt it would be exercised and serve the same functionality for today's me me me showboating.

I can absolutely and utterly promise that if mobile phone cameras had been around in the mid 80's
the makeup of the current cabinet would be VERY different.

The shitty behaviour that was brushed under the carpet would now result in jail for many of those sitting around the cabinet table

Not blaming the youth

Yes you were.

Bit about the late 1980s taken out of context as the very next rest of the sentence suggesting bit before advent of online social media.

Really?

bit before it became mainstream

Like two years before Berners-Lee came up with the internet.

@ListeningQuietly

I would do love to be a fly on the wall! Makes the likes of Hello magazine look positively tame and sanitised! Some of the senior global directors I know have some stories from Oxford. Usually comes out (pre Covid) after a long team bonding corporate weekend away socials with trusted big revenue clients and too much Bolly on tap.

Some of the senior global directors I know.....

Most of the ones i know, are paragons of virtue but they went to Cambridge.

Res
Put it this way - one of the many, many pubs we were barred from ....
had polaroids of each of us behind the bar.
this is Central London remember
3 years later I happened to meet a friend and wandered in of a lunchtime.
Photo was still there. I was invited to leave.

We never got barred from the Punch and Judy but a similar level.

If there had been CCTV and camera phones it would have been a different world.

Cummings appears to be destroying the UK deliberately. Deliberately wrecking all relations with the EU, and putting a trade deal with the US at serious risk. So what's in it for him?

I know a few that didn’t go to either Oxbridge or Camford.

Don’t think “Bolly” really cuts the mustard outside of Ab Fab.

I can absolutely and utterly promise that if mobile phone cameras had been around in the mid 80's the makeup of the current cabinet would be VERY different.

The shitty behaviour that was brushed under the carpet would now result in jail for many of those sitting around the cabinet table

True - but their connections with the then press barons even then would have protected them and rich parents would have paid the victims substantial money to 'silence' the complaints. (Nothing new there of course - money and connections always trumps).

tanta
Have you read any of his blog
he thinks he is ubermensch

@ListeningQuietly

Which floor did you get at the Wong Kei?

Sabrina
Its surreal isn't it.
We acted with complete impunity because there was never any "proof"
whereas now any passer by with a phone could have busted the lot of us.
Its why I'm so aware of the insanity of it.

Playing "are you there Moriarty" by the Round Pond was a laugh though

PS Oriental was never on our route - a Greek in Duke Street was the excess plate smashing
the rest was mostly around South Ken
we were Circle line folks